Virtua Tennis 3 For PS3 To Run At 1080P? >

	2006/09/17 12:36:37: Posted by Nine
	According to Dutch gaming website ps3party.nl, Sega has announced that the PS3 version of Virtua Tennis 3 will support the 1080p HDTV format. This is in contrast to a previous report which stated that there would be no 1080p PS3 games for a while to come. The article also claims that VT3 will be released in March of next year in Europe, most likely alongside the PS3 at launch. Rumor mill for now until we can get a second source confirmation on this. >Link
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heres futher comfirmation

h ttp://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153716

theres pictures and everything

this is in direct contrast of what MS says.. "1080p is meaningless" my ass

Its also said that Army of Two has undergone tests in 1080p and it all went well. I think the news was in PS3focus.com. Plus RFOM is aiming for 1080p. Its not like developers aren't trying to get their games up to 1080p, there should be smart ways to get these games up to high resolutions and still make them look next-gen ;]

ttp://ps3focus.nl/sitee/nieuws/bekijk.php?id=2771&cat=catps3

theres the link for the Army of Two thing.

@ blah heres the translation from that site

"Ea has undertaken are positive its first tests with Army or Two in a 1080p resolution and the first results! EA let also in an american Playstation leaf know that the game perhaps well that resolution will get.

There is thus a large chance that this game in 1080P speelbaar will be. Good new as an EA this goes succeed. "

from another translation i read in a forum, the person said that they did tests on AoT in 1080p and it went well. Your translation says that EA stated that it could get the game to run at a 1080p resolution. I say this is good news either way lol.

lol i just went to free translations.com and plugged in the text... lol

How many people buying a PS3 have a 1080p compatible TV is the real question.

wooo! .. Virtua tennis is great, its arcadey and easy to pick up. Its a graphically simple game (relatively speaking) so it should be straight forward to run at 1080p and 30+ fps.

you can get a nice 42 in 1080p tv for 2500 now by sharp.. its drops in october... after christmas time u will see ALOT of afforable 1080p sets

Yeah i saw a Samsung 1080p set in circuit city for 2000 bucks. pretty intense. But im pretty sure by late 2007 or 2008, 1080p TVs will be selling at the same rate as the other lower resolution HDTVs.

Yea, a lot of CE manufacteurs have upgraded their Fall release, 40+ inch LCD and PDP line to be native 1080p; Sharp even has a 37 inch thats 1080p. This time next year, 1080p will basically be the defacto standard on all 37+ inch displays...they'll also be half the price as well. The year after that, there will probably be a 1080p TV released in the 30-32 inch range...and so on.

Anyways, 1080p is where its at nomatter what MS and (especially) Nintendo say. Sort of like when colour TVs came along; black and white held its ground for a while, but the inevitable happened.

If it runs at 1080p then it means that PS3 is capable of more pixels than XBOX360 right?

hoe... not at all... the 360 has 48 shader units for pixels the ps3 has at best 24. The Xbox 360 doesn't go to 1080p because Microsoft felt it was pointless and guess what? The 360 gpu also has a much higher sustainable fillrate than the ps3 gpu can manage. The 360 gpu with 4XAA enabled is capable of a 16gigasamples per second fillrate.

1080p is a dumb resolution to target. Microsoft just completely locked off 1080p support it isn't that the 360 doesn't have enough pixels to support it they just flat out didn't choose to support it. Also I wouldn't be surprised if it is infact true that it will run at 1080p why? The original game was built on a Nvidia 6800 gpu.. the rsx kills annihilates that performance wise they could make the ps3 version look similar to the arcade version or much better and STILL achieve 1080p.

^lollllllllll

why dident MS target 1080p in there console if its much capable and will help the longivity of the console especially since 1080p sets are getting REAL cheap

the 360 has all that... but it still cant achieve 1080p... all that shader units BS is for nothing.. the 360 is bottle necked

1080p is where its at? How is that exactly smarty when the biggest of the ps3's titles will run at 720p? You think god of war 3 when its finally revealed will run at 1080p? You think killzone will be running at 1080p? You think ff13 will be running at 1080p? The only titles devs will even think to run at 1080p are titles like virtua tennis which you know isn't as big as the top ps3 games. Resident Evil 5 will be 720p, dmc4 they may try 1080p if they want to sacrifice some visual quality. Make no mistake about 720p is where its at and practically all developers targeting that reso says the same.

1080p is small now but more and more dev are taking use of it.... it will be a make or break factor with 3rd party games as far as which console it will look better on

1080p sets getting real cheap? Not at all man. It can achieve 1080p is it vital that it do so? The 360 bottlenecked? You do realize the difference between 1080p and 1080i is a little bit of reso 1920x1080 versus 1920x540. That is all. The 360 most certainly isn't bottlenecked sky :) 256GB/s video memory bandwidth on the edram? More than 5 times what any gpu currently available has including the ps3's gpu.. make no mistakes the 360's gpu is most certainly not bottlenecked video memory bandwidth was completely eliminated as a bottleneck when ATI designed that gpu.

Again its not that the 360 can't achieve 1080p the option has been completely disabled (by microsoft) altogether its capable of achieving it, but the option isn't there because they didn't feel the need for it.

Sky 1080p will never be make or break because neither console is capable of their best at that resolution. We are still 1 generation away from playing the most graphically impressive games of the 360 and ps3's gen at 1080p.

A 720p game can and will ALWAYS look better than a 1080p game as a lot of fillrate will be lost just achieving the resolution (must less remaining playable) graphical features will be toned down among other things. As I said though with virtua tennis its actually possible they could have all the graphical features on and still run playable at 1080p virtua tennis was built on a much gpu (for the arcade) than the ps3's rsx.

1.its not disabled my MS so stop saying that.. ATI doesent make is 1080p chipsets

2. 1080p tv sets are getting cheaper w ww.hdbeat.com browse around.. i seen a nice sharp aquios for 2500.. after christmas it could be in the 2g range

3. have you seen any 1080p games opta? u SURE talk like you have.... so how can you say it will look better or worse?

The 360 shouldve supported 1080p at least for gaming, cause this console is going to be at least 5 years in the market. Probably 5 years from now, 1080p will be as popular as the 720p and 1080i sets are right now.

Virtua Tennis 3 still has some development time to go, and plus this is a first generation PS3 title. its not like the developers know every single thing about the PS3 hardware as of now. Its hard to get 1st gen PS3 titles to look as good as 2nd gen 360 titles, yet the developers are actually achieving that with a console as complex as the PS3. Its pretty amazing what devs can do nowadays.

I still believe the PS3 can achieve whatever graphical capabilities the 360 can achieve, due to the fact that the developers of today are really good and can find ways to get the best out of a console. Just look at FNR3 for the PS3. If you actually believed the PS3 couldnt reach the graphics FNR3 had for the 360, think again. I mean the EA team behind the Ps3 version has said that the game's graphics is at 75% of the finished game's graphical quality. I'm not worried anymore of what the PS3 can do graphically, now im just waiting for the games. :]

blah of course the ps3 version would look as good as it does... its a dramatic jump in hardware power compared to the ps2 or xbox it HAS to look that good. The ps3 improvements over the 360 version are (as the devs say) due to them having a longer development period with the ps3 version.

Sky for the last time the gpu that ati made for the 360 can go to 1080p the output device was CHOSEN BY MS they are the ones that felt 1080p wasn't relevant and they are right. Did you just say ati doesn't make 1080p chipsets?!! Sky what the hell are you smoking? All of ati's desktop gpus dating as far as the radeon 9700 and even further back can go to a 1080p resolution. They don't make 1080p chipsets.. sky seriously where the hell did you get such rubbish from?

Your second point 1080p sets EVERYTHING has to get cheaper with team, but they are still extremely expensive no way around it. Your third point... ummm lets see now I've been a pc gamer my entire life I know what a 1920x1080 resolution looks like? It doesn't take rocket science to know that due to the heavy fillrate requirements for such a high resolution a game will likely not look as good on 1080p as it would on 720p due to the fact that they'll have more resources to turn on features they couldn't at 1080p common sense 101.

1080p will NEVER be as popular as 720p this gen and why is that? Because 720p games will whip up on games that are 1080p due to the fact that they can have more graphical trickery going on :) More texture tricks, more lighting tricks, more resources for ai, more resources for physics.

Any HDTV with 1080p Native Resolution Upconverts 1080i to 1080p flawlessly!

There are a few things that people need to be aware of.

First, any HDTV that has a Native Resolution of 1080p automatically upconverts the HDTV digital signals of 720p and 1080i to 1080p. When 1080i is upconverted to 1080p, it is done so is an absolutely 100% pixel perfect way. All that happens is the screen is updated progressively rather than in an interlaced way. With 720p, there are very slight adjustmentents that are made in terms of the resolution, and it ends up equally progressive, but with a slightly higher resolution. This is the reason why Microsoft has a mandatory requirement that every game has a minimum requirement of 720p resolution, but they encourage every developer to also include the output of 1080i resolution.

Obviously, 98% of all HDTV's sold in the world so far have a Native Resolution of 720p or 1080i. This means that initially, you might say, "See, only two percent of people in the world with the new 1080p HDTV's will be able to notice any difference at all between the PS3 version of Virtua Tennis 3 at 1080p and the Xbox 360 version of Virtua Tennis at 1080i or 720p."

This is not correct, though! It is actually far less than 2%!

Any 1080p HDTV that you go to purchase in a store, or that has been sold in the last year, has the ability to 100% upconvert the 1080i signal, because the 1920x1080 pixel screen is the exact same. And the upconversion of the 1280x720 resolution is virtually perfect, because the new 2005 upconversion technology makes the proper calculations to handle the upconversion. This means that any Xbox 360 or PS3 game you have that is outputting a resolution of 720p or 1080i will actually be seen in 1080p, if you have an HDTV with a Native Resolution of 1080p with upconversion circuitry built into it.

This is the reason why standard DVD's actually look nearly identical to Blu-ray discs. As we have read many times on this website, it is common knowledge that both Blu-ray and standard DVD use the same ten-year old MPEG-2 compression technology. This is the reason why DVD ends up so similar to Blu-ray when it is upconverted on an HDTV.

Thankfully, HD-DVD isn't just about an upconversion of resolution to 1080p, it is also about a superior form of compression: VC-1.

Microsoft and Intel invented VC-1 just a short time ago; it is the newest form of compression technology. Sony has deliberately decided not to use it for Blu-ray discs, simply because they choose not to pay Microsoft and Intel royalty fees. Soney would rather charge consumers twice as much for a Blu-ray player, but give them outdated MPEG-2 compression! That is why I am one of the many people who really doesn't like Sony anymore.

By the way, be very very careful with Sony's new lineup of 2006 HDTV's that feature a 1080p Native Resolution with upconversion technology. The lower end versions of those HDTV's features "Version 1" of the upconversion circuitry, and that is based on 2001 technology, not the 2005 jump in technology that other HDTVs are using in their 2006 lineup of HDTVs. If you want a Sony HDTV that uses the upconversion technology from 2005, it is called "Version 2."

Again sky back to the ati doesn't make 1080p chipsets thing (because the statement is so ridiculous) if a radeon 9800 can go up 1080p do you believe the 360's gpu.. which ati has gone on record as saying is superior to even their latest r580 (x1900xtx which I currently own and it also goes to 1080p) why in the world would you think the 360 gpu is bottlenecked or not capable of it? Do you believe a radeon 9800 (which is EXTREMELY old) is better than the 360's gpu? Ati's and nvidia's latest (unless their latest is running in sli or quad sli mode) is better than the 360's gpu. If that wasn't bad enough at a high reso such as 1080p all the pressure would be on the ps3's gpu to deliver because that isn't a cpu limited resolution. The cpu wont be as big a factor performance wise as it should be.

The ps3's gpu can't handle all the strain by itself. As I said my proof to back up this claim is that all of the ps3's big titles are targeting 720p.. their best of the best devs are targeting 720p. Are the virtua tennis devs superior to kojima, square enix etc? Of course not they are porting a game that was originally targeted for a lowly nvidia 6800 gpu which the rsx whips up on bigtime. Thats like me saying hey lets port God of War from the ps2 and have it running at 1080p it isn't a major feat to accomplish, but last I heard the virtua tennis devs were targeting 1080i.

As I've said countless times before the ps3's big titles will all be targeting 720p as the main resolution for the game if they were to all target 1080p the 360 would totally embarass the ps3 this gen simply because the 360 devs aren't being as stupid. I'll only buy into the ps3 1080p hype when I see a ps3 game that looks like Gears of War, Mass Effect run at 1080p. Better yet give me assassin's creed in 1080p and I'll be convinced!

Anyone that uses a pc knows that practically any average gpu can achieve a 1080p resolution, but its whether or not the monitor you have has an output device that goes that high. ANYONE can bring a game to a 1080p resolution, but will it have all the features and be perfectly playable? 7800GTX class gpus have been stress tested before I can tell you right now it isn't happening on the cream of the crop ps3 titles :D

Bottom Line: 1080p is absolutely no advantage for the Playstation 3. If Sony tries to use 1080p as a marketing advantage, that is up to them. But using 1080p on a low-requirement game like Virtua Tennis 3 is like running a Nintendo DS game in 1080p...it just doesn't matter. Choosing to run a game at a resolution of 1080p is actually like saying, "We should have included more polygons in the game."

This is the reason why Epic made it so clear that their targe resolution for all Playstation 3 games is 720p...Epic said that they are interested in displaying more polygons, not a higher resolution. Epic said that when you choose display 1080p rather than 720p, there is a large loss in the number of polygons that can be displayed.

Virtua Tennis 3 was definitely not a game that was technically impressive, so that is why it can be displayed in 1080p, 1080i, or 720p. If you have an HDTV with 1080p Native Resolution with upconversion circuitry, it doesn't matter if you set your Xbox 360 or PS3 to 720p, 1080i, or 1080p, you will see it displayed in 1080p!

Also newsflash there is zero difference between 1080i and 1080p UNLESS that 1080p game is running at 60fps ;)

So are ps3 devs going to target 1080p AND run 60fps? Say goodbye to how great that game could've ended up looking. If a ps3 game is 1080p and 30fps there is practically zero difference between it and the 1080i game also running at 30fps. Its no prob to run something like GT HD at 1080p 60fps (its an upscaled ps2 title) Now virtua tennis? It certainly isn't impossible because as I've said this game was built targeting a lowly 6800 gpu which and the rsx is much more powerful it could be possible, but rest assured don't use a port as evidence that ps3 will be running 1080p games no probs because even the best ps3 devs can't achieve it. Heavenly Sword one of the ps3's most impressive titles 720p 30fps...

If your television de-interlaces properly 1080i = 1080p.

mike, Warner Bros. came out with a couple of new titles for blu-Ray all using the VC-1 compression format. And they look way better than the 1st Blu-Ray titles that they came out with. So maybe Sony's movies wont use VC-1, but the rest of the movie studios on the blu-ray camp will use VC-1 ;] So its not like Blu-Ray is not allowed to read other compression formats, you guys make it sound like Blu-Ray is not superior because it uses MPEG-2 only. and thats not true.

You can read proof of what I was writing about here...even the writer of the article chose to save money and purchase an HDTV that can display a 1080p signal, from an upconverted high-definition source such as 1080i or 720p, rather than buying a 1080p HDTV that accepts a 1080p source...he said that they offer the exact same performance.

Any sort of 1080i signal that is interlaced is automatically converted to a progressive signal. You can read about that here: [link removed]

reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6361600-1.html

The intial versions of the Blu-Ray authoring software only had support for MPEG-2 and recently Sony gave an upgrade that makes the software now support H.264 and VC-1. Thats probably what led you to believe that Sony doesn't want to support the other codecs.

Of course its automatically converted to a 1080p signal, because if what Optaviusx is saying is true then 1080i = 1080p ;]

WOWEEE..WOW! ... so much hate for 1080p ...Ahahahahahahh.. ahahahhaa! (lol)

1080p is to 720p/480p what colour is to black and white...nuff said; no point arguing shaders and sh!t.

And, if you think 1080i --> 1080p is done automagically with pixie dust then you dont know what youre talking about. It aint a trivial task esp. when the 1080i source is analog component like xbox360.

Smarty: You just made yourself look like an utter f**kwit. "1080p is to 720p/480p what colour is to black and white" - you should work for the Sony bullshit...errr PR department. 1080 isn't "the shit". Sure it's higher res but if the textures are lower res, lower poly models, less detail then it'll look worse. </br></br>You can try this on a PC. Play a game at high at one res then increase the res and set it to medium and tell me which looks better.

1080i and 1080p arent that much different. Its just the way the pixels are put onto a TV that are different. For 1080i, the picture is bit shaky if you look closely but your eyes will get used to it over time. 1080p will not give off that shaky picture and everything will look silky smooth as you watch. I have an HDTV and i switched it from interlace to progressive back and forth and progressive definately goes easier on my eyes lol. But like optavius said, if your TV is amazing at interlacing then 1080i = 1080p. If your TV isn't amazing at it, then there is a picture quality difference.

Here is another good website that makes it clear that HD-DVD is superior to Blu-ray, and it gives an EXCELLENT example of 1080i being compared to 1080p in a Blu-ray disc...there is NO DIFFERENCE!!! Read for yourself: projectorcentral.com/blu-ray_2.htm

1080p isn't Sony bull, its the next step in High Definition. It might not be the best thing in the world, but it is better than 1080i unless you have a a really good 1080i TV. Right now its not worth it to get a 1080p TV, its worth it when it starts to get affordable and cost as much as the HDTVs that are out today.

mike_mgoblue, that review was written when Blu-Ray titles couldnt support the VC-1 and H.264 codecs. Now that they can support it and that more standalone Blu-Ray players are coming out, we'll see what happens in Round 2 ;]

RE: Smarty Pants,

Read this website that talks about how the digital HDMI cable used in a Blu-ray was actually thought to have a "defect" because it looks inferior to the analog component signal.

Read for yourself: projectorcentral.com/blu-ray_2.htm

Matt: Why would the textures lower? Why would the models be of lower poly count? Is there something preventing developers from using higher poly models or HD-spec textures?

And, I dont play PC games (crappy integrated intel graphics on my laptop), so i cant do your experiment. But, if the PC game wasnt designed for HD then of course its gonna like sh!t nomatter the resolution..at the lowers res you cant see the flaws..its only at the higher resolutions that you do (hence why it would look like crap at higher res).

Its a lot like seeing movies in HD...you can see the make up lines and crap that you wouldnt have seen in SD; but, the capture has to be in HD from the get-go.

Samsung has already stated that their Blu-ray player has many faults in it, and thats really stupid of them. Like ive been saying, there is no clear winner still. Blu-Ray is starting to get a lot of movies out and more standalone players made by better companies than Samsung are starting to come out. Once those players come out, then we'll see how Blu-Ray fairs to the super duper HD-DVD format.

Its kinda like how people were saying Microsoft is doing the impossible by challenging the super duper king of video games Sony. Now look where they are, they now have a better chance of topping Sony then anyone else in the gaming industry.

let me just say this again..... 1080p games are comming.. and they will look nice.. better then there 720p counter parts... 360 cant support it....oh well get it over it

1080p>>>period

RE: blah,

There have only been three VC-1 movies released for Blu-ray; they were released on September 5. There are currently only six more VC-1 movies scheduled to be released using VC-1.

Why does 1080p output matter?

When a display takes in the 1080i signal it needs to deinterlace the signal into progressive. This isnt done autmagically, its CPU intensive. We're talking about detinterlacing 60 one megapixel fields into 30 2 megapixel images every second..and thats only for 1080p at 30fps. ie, Its NOT easy and not all displays do this equally well. For example, some cheaper displays cheat and multiply every other 540 field by 2 to give you '1080p' ..essentially youve lost half the vertical resolution.

Thats why you want 1080p. So, the display can just read in the 1080p signal and diplay it; without the need to do any processing that might mess up the image.

RE: blah,

There have only been three VC-1 movies released for Blu-ray; they were released on September 5. There are currently only six more VC-1 movies scheduled to be released using VC-1.

The simple fact that Sony would have the attitude, "We aren't going to release 'our' movies using the VC-1 Code, simply because we aren't going to pay American companies Microsoft and Intel royalties" makes me firmly believe that Sony doesn't care about the consumers, and they don't deserve our business.

Personally, I think some of those Sony executives must have had relatives who committed suicide as a result of losing World War 2...how in the world could they deliberately make the decisions that they make at the expense of American citizens.

The fact that I can count the number of VC-1 Blu-ray movies on one hand, without tapping into the "thumb reserve" is a disturbing thing.

@ mike</br></br>"</br></br>Personally, I think some of those Sony executives must have had relatives who committed suicide as a result of losing World War 2...how in the world could they deliberately make the decisions that they make at the expense of American citizens."</br></br>your a racist muther fu**er

Yeah but you said that Blu-Ray players won't be able to do those codecs. You totally BS'd. Actually Sony does care about their consumers, or they wouldnt have scrapped the boomerang. And im pretty sure you didnt see what i said before. Only the intial versions of the Blu-Ray authoring software only had support for MPEG-2! Now its been upgraded to support the other codecs and now you will see more movies on these codecs ;] You are already judging a format when its still in its infancy. Look at the Xbox, their first gen games looked pathetic and they sucked and see how good the games are now? ;] Gotta give it time

"Personally, I think some of those Sony executives must have had relatives who committed suicide as a result of losing World War 2...how in the world could they deliberately make the decisions that they make at the expense of American citizens."</br></br>WTF... This again? You are one dumb f**k face...

RE: blah,

When the first batch of Blu-ray movies were released, and the first batch of HD-DVD were released, both of them had the ability to use MPEG-2, MPEG-4, or VC-1. Obviously, MPEG-2 is the oldest and worst, and VC-1 is the newest and best.

Sony WILLINGLY chose not to use VC-1, simply because they did not want to pay American companies Microsoft and Intel any type of licensing fees or royalties. After all, from the point of view of Microsoft, they don't care which disc format wins, as long as the Codec used is VC-1. HD-DVD only uses VC-1, so that is why Microsoft supports that format so much.

Sony likes to promote disc space advantage of the Blu-ray over HD-DVD, but in reality the available disc space doesn't matter, because theoretically both HD-DVD and Blu-ray have more than enough space for any movie, thanks to multiple layers of disc space.

Actually, Sony STILL has not been able to mass produce dual-layer Blu-ray discs; the defect rate is STILL too high!!! That is a MAJOR problem that was not planned!!! This gives the disc space advantage to HD-DVD at this point in time, and at least the near future.

Yeah, fanboys say stuff like that but you just gotta get used to it lol.

The most important factor in the HD-DVD vs Blu-ray format war is not disc space; the most important factor is the compression technology used. EVERY SINGLE HD-DVD movie released uses VC-1. Only 3 Blu-ray movies have used VC-1. Do you really think that those other MPEG-2 movies will be rereleased in VC-1? The answer is, probably not. And what about the people who already purchased them in MPEG-2? Plus, over 90% of the Blu-ray movies scheduled to be released for the rest of the year are STILL using MPEG-2.

I agree with you, blah, I am definitely judging a format in its infancy...but like the article talked about: "Blu-ray costs twice as much as HD-DVD, Blu-ray movies cost more than HD-DVD movies, HD-DVD movies look much better than Blu-ray movies." Plus HD-DVD movies have a mandatory requirement for at least 5.1 sound, and Blu-ray doesn't have any requirement like that, which means we may end up with 2.0 sound in some movies, converted to bogus Pro Logic.

HD-DVD simply has stricter quality standards, and HD-DVD has been doing everything right since the beginning.

RE: Sky,

I am not an "M-Fer" like you said. I am also not a racist. However, when Japanese consumers deliberately avoid purchasing American automobiles and electronics, simply because they still hold a grudge due to having Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuked, then that is their problem...they are the ones that sneak attacked at Pearl Harbor.

Those are not racist comments...those are opinions based on historical and economical facts.

thats not a fact... YOU DEAD WRONG.. they dont buy american products cuz there pieces of shit.. look at FORD.. there all in the news cuttin jobs.. workforce.. losing billions of dollors because of there product.recalls galore.. then look at toyota... your so ignorant mike its a shame... think b4 you speak

Mike:

Aside from work trucks, Americans wont even buy American cars; so. why the f#ck would you expect the Japanese to buy them when their cars are better.

And, the iPod is the best selling mp3 player in Japan. If you make something thats relevant and appealing, it will sell there; 360 for whatever reason doesnt appeal to them. Not only that, but they buy billions of dollars in American military weapons every year; they are basically a proxy American army for that region.

"Blu-Ray costs twice as much as HD-DVD."

This is where Sony brings in the Ps3.

"Blu-ray movies cost more than HD-DVD movies."

Uhh, last time i went to Circuit City and some online websites. I found Blu-Ray movies to cost just as much as HD-DVD movies and even DVD movies.



"HD-DVD movies look much better than Blu-Ray movies."

Correction: 1st gen HD-DVD movies look much better than 1st gen Blu-Ray movies. As for 2nd gen, Blu-Ray movies will match or beat the quality of HD-DVD movies.

"HD-DVD movies have a mandatory requirement for at least 5.1 sound, and Blu-ray doesn't have any requirement like that, which means we may end up with 2.0 sound in some movies...."

Keyword there: "may." The question is WILL we ebd up with 2.0 sound in movies? Are movie studios besides Sony going to do this to the consumer and under deliver on sound? If they do this, then its a complete waste of time to even support the format. If these studios were boasting about Blu-Ray being amazing, why not use the newest audio formats? Yes its not guarrenteed that we will get 5.1 sound, but i say if they do it for HD-DVD then they will do the same for Blu-Ray as it will save time and money to make two different versions of the same movie just because they want to change the audio formats. I stand by my belief that the next-gen optical disc formats are still in its infancy and its still too early to judge the winner as the Blu-Ray camp hasn't even got out a perfectly working Blu-Ray player yet.

ebd? end*** lol

Smarty... you just said de-interlacing is cpu intensive?? HAHHAHAHA

It's done by the hdtv itself not the console... The console has nothing to do with the de-interlacing process. The only way by proper definition that 1080p can be different from 1080i is if ps3 titles are running at 60fps while at 1080p. If its at 30fps locked then it is no different from 1080i (which maxes out at 30fps too.)

Seriously I shouldn't need to tell anyone that these consoles both the 360 and ps3 are not at the level for 1080p gaming that we want them to be. The level that we can achieve with 720p can't be done on 1080p definitely with the next xbox or3 playstation console, but it isn't happening now. All 1080p games this gen (if any exist) will not look impressive be laughing stocks compared to how good their 720p counterparts will look.

more about the japanese people they make the best...

Cars

electronics

rpgs

action

platformers

adventure

should i keep going?

there about to have one of the best shooters ever.. lost planet

jap devs/ people>>>>>

just because of the simple fact they take alot of PRIDE in what they too.. they give anything they do there ALL

Epic for ps3 titles are also targeting 720p. Their reasoning? The resolution is pointless we want to put more polygons in at a lower resolution while being able to add more graphical effects. A super high resolution doesn't = an amazing looking game.

Also mike that world world 2 comment was pretty damn out of line

not saying ur wrong opta.. but do u have a link to that interview?

I agree with you there sky they give their all in anything they do. Its like when it comes to certain things its like they just know how to express themselves far better.

The action seen in japanese anime always eclipses anything we see from anything purely american and if anything american does match up to it the visionaries or choreographers are usually japanese. Japanese anime kills american made material, Japanese martial arts related movies usually kill american made movies. Japanese voice acting for games or anime usually is superior and more heart felt than what we have here in the usa. Lets face it the japanese just usually come up with most hardcore of anything they are involved with its why I have to buy myself a ps3.

I'll try to find link to it now.

Opta: all modern TVs have CPUs; and, where in my post did i mention anything about consoles?

And, i said in another thread..its up to the developers to decide what resolution they want to use. One developer may find 1080p pointless, another may find it better for their purposes (ie to present visual DETAIL). To making a sweeping gneralisation that 1080p is pointless is just delusion fanboism.

Yeah a lot of developers aren't going to aim for 1080p if they want their title to be a popular one. The less popular ones will probably get 1080p. I say a good game that would look cool in 1080p and is probably achievable is a madden game.

OK GUYS, TIME TO GET THIS THREAD BACK ON TRACK

ENOUGH WITH THE JAPAN/AMERICA WHO IS SUPERIOR BS, THIS IS ABOUT 1080P ON THE PS3

-DM

yea thats true DM

sony ps3 tech>>>> 360

sonys library of titles>>>>360

resistance>>>gears

sonys launch lineup>>> 360's launch line up

sonys ps3 OS> 360 OS

how about all consoles are awesome. 8)

I thought all PS3 games were 1080p at 120 fps on 2 displays =p

Sky you must be on crack..

Resistance > gears? Please tell me thats a joke.. hahahhahahahahah. Resistance is a beefed up call of duty it looks so damn mindless and boring not doing their storytelling in a cinematic like fashion similar to what gears will be doing.

Ps3 tech > 360 tech? Is that why the ps3 uses a 7800gtx for a gpu whereas the 360 has a early r600. Is that also why the ps3 has 256MB of texture memory and the 360 has 512MB? Is that why the ps3 has 48GB/s of video memory bandwidth while the 360 on just its edram has 256GB/s? Is that why the ps3 has 24 pixel pipes 8 vertex and the 360 has 48 for both pixels and vertex?

Or how about how the 360 cpu has more per thread performance and the ps3 only has a single ppe that can handle game control, ai, scripting whereas the 360 has 3 much more versatile cores all capable of handling more types of game code whereas are good for specific tasks the spe can't handle ai, game control or scripting among other things. There is a reason carmack said Microsoft made a better cpu choice than sony did.

Funny part storm is everyone believed that crap too. Where is the dual 1080p 120fps at? Heavenly sword, resistance shouldn't be at 720p they should be at 1080p 120fps.

Sony's launch lineup.. lets see umm warhawk is crap motorstorm is crap, resistance looks like crap, fear is good, but an old game, heavenly sword is awesome, but not launch, everything else I think just may be crap? Fact is ps3 launch lineup isn't competing with 360 launch anymore its competing with what 360 brings out now.

oh my.. its Sept 17th ..2 months to go till next gen hits!! wooweeWOO! mister FREEEAZE!!

you guys are great?

p.s. 360 is the sux :- )

Believe what you want, but as of right now the 360 clearly has the better upcoming library.

Sony's OS > 360 os... oh boy stupidest thing I've heard all day.. you mean a ps3 os which requires 96MB of the consoles memory to run and takes away an entire spe? Rubbish.

Smarty don't try to play it off now like you weren't referring to the cpu on the console. The entire way you delivered that sentence makes it obvious you were talking about the 360's cpu. 1080p is pointless unless its 1080p at 60fps if it isn't at 60fps its just like 1080i for movies. For gaming its even more pointless than for movies.. the ps3 isn't powerful enough for all out gaming at 1080p with all the graphical features on. I have proof you guys don't all big ps3 titles are targeting 720p if it was so powerful they'd target 1080p. .

p.s.s at the media event where they announced that VT3 was 1080p, they were running off production PS3s; take a lookie over at 1up!

@ opta

carmack said MS mad a better choice but he also said the ps3 is more powerful then the 360... with that being said.. he did go on to say that extracting the power would be difficult.. but devs are forced to do so because sony has too many fans and market share.. and pretty much control over ther video game industry

Why is heavenly sword 720p 30fps if the ps3 is so powerful? Why is resistance 720p? Why are all big ps3 titles targeting 720p? Why is assassin's creed 720p? Explain please... oh thats right nobody can explain the ps3 isn't powerful enough for all out 1080p gaming.

Smarty yea its the sucks alright too bad it can do everything microsoft said it can do and then some, but how sad it must be for you that the ps3 isn't delivering on all its claims.. it sucked at E3 no showed at leipzig. Games are targeting 720p (when they should be targetting 1080p) Where is your dual 1080p 120fps? Where are your games that should be matching all the e3 05 videos? Its bad enough it doesn't meet all the expectations you had for it, but even worse they are downgrading crucial aspects like the gpu. I rest my case I'm done now because the ps3 getting its ass handed to it at E3 06 and leipzig and all the broken promises prove my point :D

and opta wha happen to that link u was suppose to find?

=)

opta: heres my post...where do i mention anything about consoles? can someone please point out where i mention 360 or PS3?

"Why does 1080p output matter?

When a display takes in the 1080i signal it needs to deinterlace the signal into progressive. This isnt done autmagically, its CPU intensive. We're talking about detinterlacing 60 one megapixel fields into 30 2 megapixel images every second..and thats only for 1080p at 30fps. ie, Its NOT easy and not all displays do this equally well. For example, some cheaper displays cheat and multiply every other 540 field by 2 to give you '1080p' ..essentially youve lost half the vertical resolution.

Thats why you want 1080p. So, the display can just read in the 1080p signal and diplay it; without the need to do any processing that might mess up the image."

And, how can you say that PS3 isnt powerful enough for 1080p when there are at least 2 games confirmed (and probbaly more) to be running at 1080p?

opta its the beginning of the consoles life... not all titles will be 1080p.... the simple fact that some 3rd party titles are going 1080p now is a plus.. give it time.. 360 HAS NO 1080P and no DIGITAL SIGNAL... NO HDMI 1.3... nothing

The CPU im referring to is in the display/TV....why on earth would the output device have anything to do with the processing thats going on in the TV. Open your sxrd..there should be a DRC MF2x chipset in there. Where do you think all those fancy gui come from?

I'm still buying one, but people need to wake up. The ps3 has more peak theoretical power in its cpu, but as carmack also said that means nothing its about what you can actually deliver to the game and in that regard Microsoft made the better choice. Sony has the dominant market position alright, but not releasing in europe till march 07 and failing to meet their launch goals by 1.5 million units and failing to meet their end of 06 goals by about 2 million or more units they'll have a lot more trouble holding onto their market position. You do know the 360 EVEN if sony hit their launch goals were guaranteed to lead the console war till august of next year, but now they are guaranteed to hold the lead until 2008. 360s would have to stop selling for sony to catch up and with halo 3 in 07 and assassins creed, gta 4 and other big things like mass effect, forza 2 and the ps3's price it means serious trouble.

opta

now your fan boy comming out... 360's launch was ass in the US

so far every console will struggle at launch... even the wii.. i heard there only shipping 250 000 here in the usa on day 1

and none of those titles you named will do any effect on the ps3... forza dident sell well barely broke a mill .. look at wikipedia.. mass effect isent a main stream game.. GTA 4 and AC are multi plat? damn at least name games like LO and BD...... SMFH

RE: Smarty Pants,

In regard to what you said about Japan purchasing American made weapons, there is something you should know. Due to the contract that exists between Japan and the Allied nations of World War 2, Japan is never again allowed to build an unsupervised army of its own or research and develop new military weapons. Soooo, that is the reason why Japan purchases the weapons that America allows it to.





RE: Sky,

you asked Optaviusx for a hyperlink to what Epic had to say about all of their games running at 720p, because using a resultion higher than that would be a waste of hardware processing resoucres. I should probably tell you that I did not read that interview on the Internet, I read it in a magazine where Unreal Tournament 2007 was on the cover--it was either the Official Playstation Magazine, or the Independent Playstation Magazine. It was earlier in the year, though...back when people thought Unreal Tournament 2007 was only going to be released for PS3.

Since then, we have learned it will be released for the PC and the Xbox 360. If you have access to "back-issues" of those magazines, I hope that helps you out for a reference point.

well opta read it on the internet.. so it must be on here.. he had the link.. so he will find it... if not.. i aint trippin.. it still early in the consoles life... ps3 power is too much

RE: Optaviusx, Sky, Smarty Pants, Storm, DM, Blah, Matt, Hoe, :-/, and everyone else.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

I officially apologize for offending anyone about careless comments that I made about World War 2 in relation to the nation of Japan.

360 believers put the complaint on the game of PS3 that is not 1080p. When it is meaningless when the game of 1080p goes out really, the complaint is put. It is foolish of the self-contradiction. The foolishness doesn't know that the publisher decides either is still what you use to encode. And, examine the MPEG-4 AVC High-profile(H.264 High-profile) encoder that Panasonic Hollywood laboratory (PHL) developed, and it is scheduled to be adopted for Blu-ray in the future. The encoder of PHL is being written that it is a high film grain and a high-resolution from VC-1 and MPEG-4 AVC of Toshiba in the article on ITmedia of Japan. ttp://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/lifestyle/articles/0609/01/news111.html

ttp://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/lifestyle/articles/0607/14/news033.html

MIKE i would just like to say thank you for taking the mature stance and apologizing if you offended anyone, eveyone makes mistakes, very few take responsibility. you are always welcome here

on to business: this is obviously a hotbutton issue, just by the number of comments we can tell! If you want, i have copied the thread to here on the forum so you guys can continue this discussion at will

http://www.gamersreports.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7460 HERE YOU CAN CONTINUE THE DICUSSION IF YOU LIKE

Of course, you can always continue the discussion here if you like as well! The more the merrier!

lol DM its poppin over here on this end.. me smarty and blah gettin in that ass.. im tired of these 360 fanboys making irrational comments

haha well you are always welcome to keep it lively here, as long as you keep it above board you can post all week long here.

GUYS ALSO, A QUICK NOTE, OUR NEWEST WEBSITE IS NOW OPEN

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This thread: http://www.playstationforum.com/showthread.php?t=1872

Believe it or not we even have another site besides THAT in the works too so as long as you guys keep on readin' we will keep on writin!

RE: DM,

Thank you for saying that I am welcome to this website. The people on this website are very intelligent, and I enjoy talking with them, learning from them, and teaching other people...especially guys like Optaviusx and MAKAVELI, who go out of their way to learn and explain things in great detail.

Just so you know, Optaviusx, I had been looking at this website for a while before I became a member. I was always impressed with the way you explained things in a technical way with great detail...that is the reason why I always try to do the same when I compare things like polygons, RAM, shader technology, and things like that.



Once again, I TRULY would like to apologize from the bottom of my heart: I regret saying the things I said. I didn't mean to offend anyone or hurt their feelings. I am sorry for my careless actions.

DM, I would also like to let you know that I really am thankful that you took the time to forgive me.

Mike without our readers my friend, we are nothing. It is I who should be thanking you, ALL of you guys. You all keep the site going and we love having you all.

Well my last comment on this topic will be this.

Its one thing to support 1080p EVERY ps3 game can support 1080p (aka go to the resolution), but the question is will it be playable at that reso while looking amazing visually.

Attention everyone, All I like to say iz... WHY SOO MANY COMMENTS ON 1 STUPID AZZ RESOLUTlON

Also last I officially heard from the devs on this game was that they are targeting 720p, but will try to make it playable at 1080i.

Check 1up.com it has been confirmed to run at 1080p.

Yea not surprised considering the original game was built on a 6800 so bringing it to a higher res on the much more powerful rsx shouldn't be a problem.

Also mike thanks for the kind words :)

I really like this site because aside from 1 or 2 people the conversations are usually kept civilized and its all good. Gamereports has a nice little community going here.

I like it how all of you used info regarding the PS3 thats been rumored and not confirmed.(i.e 96MB of memory for the OS) I also a whole bunch of great titles coming out for launch on the PS3, Resistance is one of them. The storyline may not be creative, but Halo's story isnt all that great either. its 40 multiplayer online system is probably what would make this game worth buying cause it'll be really fun to slaughter 39 other players online for the first time on a console ;]

Gears of War may look amazing, but its gameplay isn't that great. To me, GoW has done nothing to amaze me gameplay wise and just looks like a solid 3rd person shooter. Other titles in the launch lineup, you cannot forget the multiplatform titles like Rainbow Six Vegas and Call of Duty 3 cause those games would go well with a PS3 at launch ;] All launch lineups are suppose to be bad, personally i thought the 360's lineup was horrible. PGR3 was probably the best game ever made as a launch title, but the rest is just rushed garbage.

360 may look a lot better in the games lineup than the PS3, but you gotta let time pass. The PS3 hasn't launched yet and at this point last year, all the games on the 360 that we couldnt wait for were Gears of War and.....? lol so you gotta give time.

As for 1080p, i do not care. IMO Sony is doing the right thing by boasting all these technologies. They couldve took the easy road and made a game console like the 360, but instead they wanna take a bigger approach and make higher quality technologies more popular. Now we probably won't see Final Fantasy XIII or MGS4 on 1080p, but games like Madden or anytype of sports game would look great on a 1080p set next-gen. But really, you all are too serious about this. If you dont want 1080p you dont have to get it, plain and simple. To me, all consoles are great so im not worried about my PS3 failing next-gen or my 360's brick is 50 times larger than my house and my Wii is small. I'm not a fanboy, i love games and i think you all should love games, too. ;]

You guys talk a lot. Go PS3, 1080p..yay!

let me go on the say throught all these heated arguements.. i do not dislike anybody... in fact i encourage people to speak there mind.... even if its a fanboy comment *smiles*

@ mike

i accept your apology.... you a great guy... and i value your opinions.. and that goes for everybody else too

RE: Sky,

Thanks a lot Sky; I appreciate all the things you had to say. I am glad you wrote back.

Overall its nice to see everyone can be civil in the end even when the debate gets a little out of hand :)

yeah you talk all that shader pixel and fillrate bullshit, how long though we have to wait until games can fill that up? I mean this point we would be at 60fps! but instead we still see 30fps and slowdown and blur effects during movement that hurts my freaking chinese eyes! Not to mention... Full 1080i?

A firmware update for the 360 has been announced which allows 1080p for the 360. hxxp://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/733/733658p1.html