New Xbox360 Model 'Zephyr' Revealed, HDMI >

	2007/01/05 13:18:49: Posted by DM
	Well, it seems the reason MS was so reluctant to release an HDMI cable for the Xbox360 is that a new Xbox360 model is due out 'soon' that will include HDMI ports. Engadget has the scoop on the v2 Xbox360, codenamed 'Zephyr.' This looks so legit, we won't even rumor tag it. Ha, of course we will. >Link
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So now we can go buy a new 360 with the new processor that runs w/ less heat, a bigger hard drive and HDMI slot that has been deemed unnecessary by most gamer types? Makes perfect business sense to all of us who have already bought V.1. Thanks MS.

ahahhahhhhhahhh! lolll now all the the idiots that were talking about " the good ms customers service" AND ALL THAT Loyal shit , have to shut up now!

FACTS:

MS SHITY IN YOUR FACES , you waste u money and now you will see people buying it for the same price with more features , IS THIS WHAT YOU CALL A "LOYAL" COMPANY?

I didn't waste my money. I have gotten plenty of use out of my 360, and they're isn't really a reason you have to upgrade. New version of hardware are released all the time. Look at the iPod and they still have loyal customers. PS2 was updated to the slim version, and people still by playstations. So there is a new version of the xbox. Some people will upgrade and some won't, but either way most will still be xbox fans.

I didn't waste my money. I have gotten plenty of use out of my 360, and there isn't really a reason you have to upgrade. New versions of hardware are released all the time. Look at the iPod and they still have loyal customers. PS2 was updated to the slim version, and people still by playstations. So there is a new version of the xbox. Some people will upgrade and some won't, but either way most will still be xbox fans.

In order to fully utilize the 360, a larger hard drive would be nice. Also, running a lower temperatures should cut back on the defects. People criticize other companies for offering things that some may not want. It's time to criticize MS if they do this and sell it for the same price. Of course nothing should be said until it is confirmed, but if it is MS needs to be called out on it.

Well, consider this. Most people don't have TV's with HDMI ports, so this really doesn't matter at all. If they release a 120gb HD for inclusion in the same $399 Premium system, then the hard drive will likely be $100.

As for the 65nm processor, that's just a logical progression. Runs cooler and is cheaper to produce. Though, if they do release this, there will likely not be a price drop any time soon. Though, logically, should we ever even expect a price drop? The only time I ever remember consoles dropping in price is when either a new console is being released or has already been released. Perhaps if the PS3 drops in price.. but that won't happen until the cost per PS3 unit is reduced to at or below the current price.

Say whorever you want to say , you guys were the same to criticize sony for their blu ray and all that good extras that came with the console and now you got bill gates shiting on the xbox360 buyers just to compete with sony.

Atleast sony made a final model since day one...blu ray ,hdmi since day one....shame on you ms.

Thats i say that ms dont know shit about console..they think they came were put some shity ass computer parts on a box , sign some publishers, steal some sony exclusives and win the war?

FUCK Microsoft and Fuck bill gates.

Why isn't this taken with a grain of salt? The image is so fake and it's just a modified console. There is no Xbox 360 with an HDMI port coming out. By tomorrow Microsoft will announce this as being false.

Hehehe. So much for "1080p/HDMI/HD disks not needed."

I have two tv's w/ HDMI. Though I am satisfied w/ what I get from component. It still would have been nice to get these extra's for $399.99, but instead, I'll be getting the shaft and will have to fork out additional cash to upgrade my hard drive. There is nothing wrong w/ improving a product, but don't screw over your early adopters. Charge more for the other, or offer trade ins for operating V.1's.

why is Tecno_Geek so dumb and biased, I wish he would open his eyes.

He's not the only one who needs to do so.

Yea i want kick tecno_geek on his lips

this is old news and the picture was from july of 06. if anyone would like a link, PM me.

however when this stuff is available (which it has been discussed) this doesnt mean anything that it is "needed", you zombies are so quick to jump around over nothing. microsoft will provide HDMI and a larger HDD, they have commented on it many times. by doing so they are listening to the consumer, this doesnt mean that you NEED them though

of course the zombies wont listen and still live in their own world, which is fine by me

Giving the consumer what they want is not screwing people over. Ever bought an iPod? Apple improves on their designs yearly. It's the nature of progressive technology.

So I can expect a free 120g hard drive, HDMI cable etc?

If you're REALLY upset over this, here's a solution: put the console, all cables, and all manuals that came with it back in it's original box. Take the box to your car. Drive to the store you bought the console from. Now proceed to the store's customer support desk, put the boxed console on the table, and politely ask for a refund.

Now come home and patiently wait for this new version of the hardware to come out, and use the money you just got back to buy it.

Problem solved, and without you losing any money.

How about not making someone go through all of that trouble and just releasing something that doesn't need to be upgraded during it's life cycle?

Some of you are MS fanboy apologist hypocrits.

I'm not updating mine nor am I trading it in. I am asking logical questions.

Whatever you do, don't question the might MS.

This reminds me of one of my favorite fables...

Once upon a time, there was this company called Nintendo. Almost everyone in Diggland wanted to be Nintendo's beyatch. Well, one day, Nintendo said to its beyatches, "I shall release a system called the Game Boy Advance, and it shall be good." The NB's flocked to the stores and bought the "GBA's" and they were happy. A year later, the great Nintendo spoke again, "I will be releasing a new Game Boy Advance - one that is better!" The NB's all rejoiced - for their great N could do no wrong. The NB's proclaimed, "Thank you Nintendo! Thank you for giving us what we want, and not screwing us over like MS and Sony! We love buying your slightly upgraded products over and over again," to which Nintendo replied, "Just wait."



A few years later, Nintendo spoke again, "I will be releasing the Dual Screen." The entirety of Diggland rejoiced! The NB's were very, very happy. About a year later, Nintendo spoke, yet again, and said, "I will be releasing the DS Lite!" This made the NB's so happy that they all bought the new and slightly improved DSL as fast as they could. NB's from around globe rejoiced with great happiness. In the land called Japan, the DSL is still almost impossible to find! The NB's again said, "Thank you Nintendo! Thank you for giving us what we want! Thank you for not screwing us like MS and Sony. Thank you for releasing yet another update! We want more!"

To which Nintendo replied, "Just wait my beyatches. For in the future, there will be many more. The Wii shall be updated with Hi-def support, and oh so much more!"



The End.

Come back next time for the story of "The Many Incarnations of the Original Gameboy and Gameboy Color," a Nintendo fan's wet dream!

vae, call me what you like but i am a "fanboy" of no company. i game on everything under the sun. however we have known, before launch, that HDMI and a larger HDD will be supported at some point. if microsoft provides a HDMI cable and larger HDD to buy seperately then there should be no complaining.

it all depends on how it's handled. every early adopter should know the drawbacks of jumping on the bandwagon early in the game.

what the early adopters have and will always have though, is the experiences earlier then the rest. we pay the high prices, wait in lines, and take the risk so we can say "we were there from the beginning, experienced those games from the start, and supporting our passions before the fense-sitters did". <- this may be my opinion alone, but i still have no regrets waiting out in the cold for over 15 hours for my 360 on pre-launch night because i was able to get some of the best gaming experiences of my life without waiting.

this honestly wouldnt be any different then microsoft lowering the prices of both packages when the 65nm chips came out. some early adopters would bitch anyways, but we all know that price cuts are coming. unless HDMI is that huge of a deal, just go and buy the 120GB HDD when its released, we all also knew that a larger HDD was coming as well.

honestly none of this should be of any surprise IMHO.

Whatever floats your boat. So much talk about things costing too much and now it's okay to pay. If the shoe(upgrades that cost) were on the other foot(company not named MS), I wonder what responses would be?

Kenny K stop wasting your time on him. I bet you he bitches like this everytime he buy's electronics.

There is nothing wrong with a consumer criticizing or questioning a company's actions. It's often done on this site, just never towards MS.

Nice retort nerd. Questioning = bitching?

So, being an early adopter, I may end up paying what 500, 600 dollars to have the latest greatest version of the 360?

If I were to buy the HD DVD add on, then we're talking 700-800 bucks?

I have played mine a lot and thankfully it hasn't burned up on me or given me the red lights of death. I am just waiting for someone else to see the hypocrisy instead of seeing things in their wierd fanboy perspective.

ok, without the name-calling. what is your questions vae?? i really didnt critisize anything of the other systems other then sony's hardware choices and nintendo's lack of wired BB connection.

also keep in mind that most of the heat geared towards sony is centered around their lies and hype, not what the ps3 has.

Yes you are bitching. You made a choice to be an early adopter and knew what you were getting when you got that 360.

I don't see what's the big deal. WOW a company is trying to make their product better OMG WHAT A RIP OFF!!!. I bet you weren't acting like this when nintendo updated the ds and the GBA or when sony updated the ps2 to slim.

also vae, please read my ealier post very carefully and i wouldnt mind knowing your thoughts on what i said.

Cost has been a major "issue" with those who dislike the PS3. It has also been brought up on numerous occasions that HDMI isn't necessary and that component is equal to which I agree.

Keep in mind too that Sony not giving people a "choice" in regards to what is inside the machine has been an issue as well. Now, w/ that in mind, say I want to use my current 360 to d/l movies or tv shows via XBL, will 20 gigs be enough? How much will it cost me to upgrade to 120g's?

Did it make the old DS unplayable NO, did it destroy the gameplay NO, with this I would not be able to use my system NO.It's up to you if you want to upgrade.

nerd, I didn't necessarily need to update my PS2. The slim version didn't have any major upgrades over it's the original. My launch system still works fine. I bought a network adapter (which I rarely used b/c of XBL's superiority on the XBOX) for 12.99 from EBgames.

So, w/ all of the features that is usable on XBL, is 20g's enough?

Didn't buy an original DS, no games I wanted until Castlevania came out. Bought the light about 6 months after it was released.

t's incredibly stupid to complain about Microsoft doing this. They are not taking anything away from what you already have. They are doing no harm to you, because any game developed will work the same with both systems.

Getting angry about this would be the same as getting angry because they lowered the price to $199 and $299, after you had bought one for $299 or $399. It's just plain childish and stupid.

for most there is no difference between HDMI vs component until you get into screens 50" or bigger.

as far as 120GB HDD, higher capacity hardly raises cost, so i see no reason microsoft can replace the current 20GB HDD for the 120GB HDD at the same price. to those who purchased a 20GB HDD and will bitch, too bad we knew microsoft would release a larger HDD.

My primary complaints relate to the cost issue as an argument as to why 360> PS3 and the hypocrisy of those on this board who will jump on anything done by Sony. People get defensive and say you are 'bitching' when you are asking logical questions as a consumer about MS.

I have been more than satisfied to this point w/ both of my MS systems and it is likely that I won't upgrade. This is just me asking simple easy to understand questions.

again this is old news we are debating about here, but if they released this new version for $400 and lowered the premium to $300, would you still complain vae??

we knew about price drops, HDMI, and larger HDD from before launch. so again, none of this should be a surprise.

So Kenny K, would you happen to have an idea as to the cost of the 120g?

I actually knew they'd eventually have to release a larger hard drive. However, I was pointing out the escalating cost of the 360 to all of those who have used the 600 is too much argument.

ok i understand your question vae, however there is no hypocrisy if microsoft doesnt raise the price with any changes to the system. the complaints about sony's price choices stem from the lack of choice to get a cheap GAME CONSOLE for those that want something just to game on. microsoft is not making the same mistake hense is not getting the same critisizm. was that able to shed any light?

again i see no reason why a larger HDD couldnt replace the current 20GB HDD for $99.

however again let me remind you that this is old news and if it is going to happen, it wont impact anything in the negative terms.

"t's incredibly stupid to complain about Microsoft doing this. They are not taking anything away from what you already have. They are doing no harm to you, because any game developed will work the same with both systems."

So if I sold you a car for $39,999.99 and it came with a 200 HP engine, 4 speaker sound system and a few other options then, sold a car to someone else for the same price, with a 600hp engine, 8 speaker sound system and some other cooler amenities and said that you could pay for the upgrade, you wouldn't be a little razzed?



Buying an additional Hard Drive, though not necessary for all, does add to the cost of the system. It's also of note that the 360's launch games were ass for the most part as well. I'm done.

"So if I sold you a car for $39,999.99 and it came with a 200 HP engine, 4 speaker sound system and a few other options then, sold a car to someone else for the same price, with a 600hp engine, 8 speaker sound system and some other cooler amenities and said that you could pay for the upgrade, you wouldn't be a little razzed?"

your analogy is flawed. the new 360 isnt faster, it is the same as the premium, except for a larger HDD and HDMI (IF THIS BECOMES REALITY). the games will look, play, and be the same on both systems.

yes vae, buying an additional HDD does add to the cost of the system, but that added cost is your choice. if your comparing the added cost of sony's system and that of getting anything extra for microsoft's system, tell me which one is your choice and which is not.

how can you be done? i am answering all of your questions in a respectful and non-hypocritical manner. you say your not bitching but just asking, when your given the answer, except it and move on. dont back away because its not what you want to know but the truth regardless

also why bother bringing up launch titles? trying to jump the topic are we?

i try to help you and you are being rather difficult and immiture if you ask me.

I have a nice Sony 50 inch HDTV. My xbox360 with compoment cables looks damn near identical to an HDMI progressive scan DVD player.

Are we seriously letting ourselves get worked up over a cable connector on a console?

Did you all bitch when Dolby released 7.1 surround and you all only have 5.1?

Did you all bitch when your HDTV with an HDMI 1.2 input was outdated with an HDMI 1.3 input?

Did you all bitch when the PS2 price dropped a year after you bought yours?

The list goes on and on, this stuff happens, and this much complaint over a cable is silly. It doesn't make a huge difference either, and you're lying if you say it does.

i agree with Rubix, also i hope the editor of the site can clarify some things mainly about this being revealed last year some time.

the debates here are a clear case of people thinking only what they want to think and its sad.

Listen up people:

I am speaking from experience here. I am speaking from experience that comes from use with HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and DirecTV.

There is VERY LITTLE difference between HDMI and Component!

When you compare Component to HDMI, there are two absolutely fundamental things that are important to remember:

1. There are a couple areas where HDMI is very slightly superior.

2. There are a couple areas where Component is very slightly superior.

Here are some examples:

(1) ONLY HDMI 1.3 inputs and cables can Accept and carry a 1080p signal. This means that even if you have an HD-DVD player that uses HDMI 1.3 cables, you WON'T be able to see the resolution in 1080p, even if your HDTV has HDMI 1.1 or 1.2 inputs! There may actually be a decent amount of HDMI compatible TV sets, but VERY FEW HDMI 1.3 TV sets. The number of HDMI 1.3 TV sets sold is very similar to the number of HDTV sets sold that allow 1080p Component signals to be received.

(2) There is virtually no noticeable difference to the human eye between 720p/1080i/1080p, which is why all of them are called High-Definition. 480i is Standard-Defintion, and there is a big difference between 480i and 480p, which is why 480p is called Enhanced-Definition. But 720p, 1080i, and 1080p are all referred to in the same way--High-Definition--because they look so identical.

In fact, unless you have an HDTV set bigger than 50", it is said that it is virtually impossible for the human eye to tell the difference.

Also, even if you have an HDTV as large as Mitsubishi's 73" HDTV set, you still have a very difficult time noticing any differences, because that DLP HDTV set upconverts and magnifies everything to 1080p anyways! Mitsubishi says that when 1920x1080i is converted to 1920x1080p, it is identical--every pixel is kept the same, but 3:2 Pulldown technology is used to change the interlaced signal to a progressive one. With 1280x720p, the signal starts progressive, so there is no need for 3:2 pulldown technology, but the signal needs to be slightly magnified. DLP HDTV sets have been doing that for a while now, and now even Plasma HDTV sets from Toshiba and Samsung are starting to do it.

(3) There are times when an HDMI digital cable actually looks worse than a Component cable. For example, I was watching Nancy Grace on CNN on DirecTV with an HDMI cable, and I noticed that there were times when certain views would change when different announcers would be brought into view where you could see noticeable pixels...it was almost as if the digital signal was being cut out by large amounts of snow or rain that affects the entire DirecTV image...but this only affected certain parts of the screen--which was caused by Digital technology working against HDMI. Minor problems like that are not seen with a high-quality Component cable.

(4) Many of the HDTV sets currently available, including recently released ones, have special features that help improve things like Contrast Ratios, overall black and grey levels, as well as special features that try to reduce video noise levels.

The thing that many people don't seem to notice in their instruction manuals is that many of those features to not work when digital cables such as DVI or HDMI are used. The HDTV set doesn't have as many options to make improvements like that, because it has to display things from the HDMI cable in the specific way that it is digitally sent to the screen, which reduces the options available compared to an analog signal that can be modified and improved in a larger number of ways.

In fact, many people with Blu-ray players do NOT use their HDMI cables, and many people actually thought that their HDMI cables were defective, because the Component signals looked so much noticeably better. The fact of the matter is that the Blu-ray player was in fact sending the same signal through both HDMI and Component, perhaps even a superior signal using HDMI, but when the HDTV set made the adjustments to the Component signal, it looked better than the HDMI signal that did not allow as many adjustments to be made to the signal.

well that's bullshit. Why would i want to go buy a new xbox just to get hdmi capabilities? They might as well just make a whole new xbox and call it xbox720.</br></br>fu** you ms.

Thanks Kenny, oh and one more thing, technology is evolving very, very rapidly. At some point, you have to call it quits and dive in to that current times tech. I am getting ready to upgrade my sound system, and I know full well that after I spend about $6k on the receiver and speakers, that next year for less money I could have something better.

That is a lot more than $400.

It's about being happy with what you have.

*** So, the all of this means that if you have a big 73" HDTV set, and you are sitting as close as 10' from the screen, then you might want to consider your options. If you have an HDTV set that does upcoverting and makes a lot of improvements to analog signals, then you may want to keep things exactly as they are, unless you are also interested in the larger hard drive. It may be a foolish thing to spend money just so you can have a different kind of cable that offers nearly identical performance.

*** Obviously, it goes without saying that Microsoft is simply allowing their product to evolve over the course of time, just like all manufacturers do. New consumers will say, "Now I am even more motivated to purchase the Xbox 360!"

*** Microsoft already has improved the Xbox 360 construction THREE times since it has launched. This is an excellent plan that all manufacturers do. Anyone that says differently is simply exposing themself as a fanboy. Microsoft isn't trying to "hurt" existing Xbox 360 owners, because the Xbox 360 already has BY FAR the best next-generation library of games; that is why it was the best-selling next-generation game system this Christmas and overall.

*** Releasing an Xbox 360 system AT A MUCH LATER POINT IN TIME with a larger hard drive and a new type of connection that offers virtually identical performance is NOT a bad thing! If you were to allow me to choose between receiving a newer Xbox 360 with a new type of HDMI cable when it is released in six months or if you gave me the choice of owning my Xbox 360 for 1.5-2 YEARS and playing with a high-quality high-definition Component cable that is included with the system, like it is now, then I would DEFINITELY take the option of playing all of those AWESOME games for all of that time!

******* Microsoft has analyzed the industry, and things have happened just like they said ALL ALONG. When the Xbox 360 was released, it didn't make sense to include an HDMI cable, because Microsoft knew that fundamental improvements were being made in the HDMI cable. It would NOT have been possible to release the Xbox 360 with an HDMI 1.3 when it was launched in November of 2005, because the copyright legal battles were still taking place.

Now that all of the copyright battles have ended, Microsoft is doing what they said they would all along; Microsoft said all along that they would always be analyzing the market. There are more and more HDTV sets that use HDMI cables, in addition to high-definition Component cables. So, it is NOT a surprise that Microsoft will continue to include the high-definition Component cables AND the standard-definition Composite cables with the Xbox 360.

I doubt that the HDMI cable will be included with the Xbox 360; that is something that likely will need to be purchased separately, because Microsoft ALREADY includes both High-Definition and Standard-Definition cables with their Xbox 360 Premium system, whereas Sony only includes Standard-Definition cables with the Playstation 3.

Look at all of U Microsoft bashers..... This is a rumour, it has not been confirmed. Quit already. yes they are manufacturing the CPU to run coller, and also to lower manufacturing costs. If they come out with a bigger HDD. Good. HDMI, do we really need it? That HDMI only comes into play when viewing movies in 1080P, otherwise the component cables are fine. U sony fanboys are always looking for a reason to knock the 360 because U feel stupid for spending $200.00 more for and waiting a year for your overhyped Blue-Ray player. Face it the 360 has better graphics, better games, better online, and a larger install base. Why dont U argue about whats going on right now, not some damn rumour. Tecno-Geek U disappear for a week and then U comment on some BS rumour. Go get your knee pads back on, Ken Kuratagi needs some more lovin. Seriously U are the biggest Sony Pole Smoker out there!!!!!

********THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER*******

The most important thing to remember is that HDMI is being "added" to the Xbox 360 in the future...read that carefully.

This means: "HDMI is being added IN ADDITION to the already existing high-definition Component, S-video, and Composite input jack that still exists...all of which can still carry a 5.1 Dolby Digital sound with an Optical cable."

I also don't understand all the Sony vs. MS hate these days. The are both putting out a quality product. Both hit stumbling blocks when launching a new system. I can't imagine why someone would get so hyped up and be willing to bash a good quality product.

Personally, I stopped playing my PS2 when I got an Xbox (yes, I purchased it to play Halo)

I found that games played better, and it had a great online community. Plus I like that it is marketed to a more mature audience.

But that is just my opinion. Why fight over this nonsense. Be happy you have the option to choose.

*** If you look at the picture of the system, it shows the HDMI input on the bottom. Located just above it is the same type of audio/video input that is currently used for high-definition Component, S-video, and Composite inputs. ***

*** This is GREAT NEWS for the Xbox 360 because it allows new owners to have more options from the start, and it doesn't put existing owners and ANY sort of disadvantage at all. ***

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*** This is GREAT NEWS for the Xbox 360 because it allows new owners to have more options from the start, and it doesn't put existing owners AT ANY sort of disadvantage at all. ***

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ok ken kutaragi what every you say ;)

********THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER*******

The most important thing to remember is that HDMI is being "added" to the Xbox 360 in the future...read that carefully.

This means: "HDMI is being added IN ADDITION to the already existing high-definition Component, S-video, and Composite input jack that still exists...all of which can still carry a 5.1 Dolby Digital sound with an Optical cable."

*** If you look at the picture of the system, it shows the HDMI input on the bottom. Located just above it is the same type of audio/video input that is currently used for high-definition Component, S-video, and Composite inputs. ***

*** This is GREAT NEWS for the Xbox 360 because it allows new owners to have more options from the start, and it doesn't put existing owners AT ANY sort of disadvantage at all. ***

This is just a rumor nothing more.

Unbiased, how about you relax and stop spamming, uh?

I think this is great news. I still don't know why some people are bitching about this.

I don't need HDMI even though both my HD tvs have it. I'll just upgrade to the 120gig HDD and I'll be happy. I agree with Kenny K, they're gonna get rid of the 20 gig HDD and sell the 120 gig for 99.99 or drop the price of the 20gig for people who don't want a bigger HDD.

Another thing is how many people have iPods? How many ipod revisions have apple released? DS? DS Lite?

And to all the sony zombies laughing right now, just wait because you know sony is gonna do the same thing. I was gonna go pickup a PS3 rather than my second 360, but then i realized there's no good games for the ps3 right now. Fall of man is not enough to persuade me to spend 600.00. I checked IGN's release dates for the PS3 and it's laughable, there's nothing I want that isn't gonna be on the 360. So I guess I'll just wait until the PS3 v2.0 comes out. =)

You're right. This is no big deal for Xbox360 owners. The big deal was Microsoft screwing gamers and devs all over by not including a HDD with all Xbox360 making the 20gb one pretty much useless except for downloading demos and savegames.

60nm was just a matter of time and as for HDMI, heh. Just funny how Microsoft are going back on what they said about trueHD.

well I find it hard to spend more money on a second xbox360 to play, what? 5 games?

No thanks, I'll keep one xbox and buy a ps3 as well.

asexynerd, nothing i said was directed towards you being an idiot

Itaintrite:

how is microsoft going back on what they said about trueHD?? it would be beneficial for you to start supporting your claims.

also every developer and every game uses the HDD just like they did with the xbox and do now with the ps3. you really dont know what your talking about, developers design games to be used with or without a HDD, and with 3 lines of code you can program a game to look to see if a HDD is present and use it. with 90% of 360's having a HDD, the option is not an issue or screwing anyone. trust me

@ unbiased PROFESSOR..

"ONLY HDMI 1.3 inputs and cables can Accept and carry a 1080p signal."

your an idiot u dont need to have HDMI 1.3 to get 1080p

HDMI dot ORG Says "HDMI has always supported 1080p resolution, starting from version 1.0 in 2002".. go to the site...

all your posts are full in simple flaws AND LIES...i barely have to read to find them... RESEARCH B4 YOU TYPE!!!!

Sony fanboys are the best. I love U. Still drinking that Sony coolaid. Spring 2006 launch: Not. 2 million consoles at launch: Not. Worldwide launch: Not. $D gamin running at 120FPS in 1080P on dual HDMI: Not. Now what were U saying about Microsoft again?????

why does every discussion have to turn into a fu**ing fight between fanboys?</br></br>grow up nuttsack, really.

Response to Sky:

The original goal of the HDMI cable was to carry up to 1080p signals, just like the Component cable. Both of those cables DID achieve their goal, but Copyright laws had large impacts on the Inputs that the manufacturers of the HDTV sets included with the HDTV units

You are 100% correct that an HDMI cable can carry up to a 1080p signal. The BIG problem that you do not seem to be aware of is that Copyright laws originally did not allow the HDMI Inputs to Accept a 1080p signal. In fact, there have been several updates to the HDMI Input jacks on the HDTV sets. Each time the Copyright standards changed, so did the Input jacks. Until 2006, there was no such thing as an HDMI 1.3 Input jack that Accepted a true 1080p signal from an HDMI cable.

The problem with looking at information from the year 2002, like you did, is that it doesn't stay accurate. Let me explain:

There are MANY Copyright laws that ended up having a HUGE affect on the HDMI product--many of which were in court up until the start of 2006 when the HDMI 1.3 Input was placed in products. In fact, until the Samsung HL-S5087W DLP HDTV set was released in April of 2006, no other HDTV set was capable of Accepting a 1080p signal using HDMI cables.

HDTV sets from late 2005 that "claimed" to be 1080p HDTV sets only had either HDMI 1.1 or HDMI 1.2a inputs that would not truly Accept a 1080p signal. Due to the Copyright restrictions, the HDMI inputs at the end of 2005 could only Accept up to 1080i resolution. Once that 1080i resolution was received, it was upconverted to 1080p. And some of them actually did Accept the 1080p signal, but it was then downconverted to 1080i, but then upconverted back to 1080p…this was one way that a couple of manufacturers got around the Copyright legal restrictions. Like I said, it was not until April of 2006 that we finally saw an HDTV set with true HDMI 1.3 Inputs that actually Accepted a true 1080p signal from an HDMI cable.

Think of it like this:

Some HDTV sets, like the Samsung HL-S5087W, Accept high-definition Component signals up to 1080p for Xbox 360 games, but those same Component Inputs can only Accept up to 1080i for HD-DVD or Blu-ray movies. The reason for this is because of the Copyright laws. Those laws prevent HD-DVD and Blu-ray movies from being displaying in any higher resolution than 1080i through the Component Input jacks. You can use the Xbox 360 VGA cable to watch HD-DVD movies in 1080p with the 15-pin RGB Input jack, or you can use the HDMI 1.3 Input jack...but you just can't do it with Component Input jacks right now, because of the Copyright laws. Those Copyright laws are what everyone was fighting over with HDMI, as well.

*** Most Important Things to Remember ***

(1) The HDMI cables can carry the 1080p signal, just like the Component cables can carry the 1080p signal.

(2) No Component Input currently allows HD-DVD movies to be displayed in 1080p resolution, due to Copyright laws. Component Inputs CAN Accept true 1080p signals if the manufacturer allows them to; that way, they will Accept 1080p Xbox 360 signals...but even if the manufacturer designed them that way, they will still not be able to Accept 1080p signals from HD-DVD players or Blu-ray players, because of the fact that there are legal Copyright laws in place that prevent it!

(3) Look at #2, above, and replace the word "Component" with the word "HDMI." That is the EXACT same way it was for the HDMI cable until the first-quarter of 2006 when the HDMI 1.3 Copyright feature standard was technically and legally established for HDMI 1.3 Input jacks.

(4) Currently, if you have a new HDTV with an HDMI 1.3 Input, then it will Accept a true 1080p signal from an HDMI cable.

(5) If you have a 1080p HDTV set purchased in late 2005, its HDMI Input jacks CANNOT Accept a true 1080p signal from an HD-DVD or a Blu-ray player, because the HDMI 1.3 Copyright laws had not yet been established at that point in time. As a result, that HDTV set will NEVER be able to Accept a true 1080p signal from an HDMI cable, because it DOESN'T possess an HDMI 1.3 Input jack!

Now do YOU understand!!! It is YOU who needs to go to a technical engineering class, or at least get a textbook and do some reading!

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sony nuthugger? I don't even have a sony console, but ok!

@ biased

all that you post... is obvious... its not the cable its the TV whether or not it supports 1080p fully... mos tof the TV's on the market now do... HDCP and 1.3 with image tokens we prolly worn see until 2011

the question is will the 360 HDMI unput be 1.3??? i highly doubt it

[POST EDITED] Otherwise stop complaining. Its called an opinion a**hole. I am entitled to mine. U insulted me earlier now pay the price. I obviously offended your Sony loving a**.

@@@@nutsack

I can even express how bad i would beat you if i kwen were you live!

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1) Loyalty

Microsoft have no respect for their clients , why they didnt released the 'Zephyr model since day one?

I guess you bithces would post 1000 posts if this happened to the ps3.

But contrary of what all that xbox360 cocksuckers have been spreading , sony respect their gamers , give them a complete console since day one , and have reputation of suporting their system beyond the 5 years of the averange consoles.

Now i ask to Mr unbisead , is microsoft suporting the original xbox now in the way sony is with thei ps2?

The answer is no , because microsoft shits on their loyal zombies fanboys and clients.

# In the computer area is the same thing , their operating systems are completly crap , proof of this is a release of one more service pack( sp3) somewhere in this year.

Now you wonder why do i have mac ox and linux on my pc.

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First learn how to spell "Frustration" and second stop sucking me up with passion. I thought you were a fan at sucking sony but now I am your idol too.

Tecno-Geek: U are a bold little bly with that keyboard and mouse. If we met in real life believe me I would be more than happy to shove your KB and MOUSE up your ass. Unlike Sony, Microsot did not makea console with the sole purpose of shoving Blue-Ray and 1080P TV's down everybodys throat. Are u mad because the GBA got its design improved and now they have a Gameboy SP. Or how bout the DS improving into the DS Lite. Lets not forget both Sony's PS1 and PS2 came out with revised hardware. Slimline anyone? Seriously your arguments have no merit. Plus U are flipping out over there because of a rumor????? I wont believe a totally upgraded 360 is coming out till I see one. Seriously U need some help. I think when U jerked old Ken Kuratagi off U got something in your eye. U may want to duck or swallow next time dumbass.

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I cannot stand it when a company does this. nintendo has a long history of doing this with their handhelds. Release a crappy, barely visible version (GB, GB color, GBA, DS) then release a better version (GBA SP, DS lite). MS is simply playing catch up.

..... whoever said HDMI is barely different picture quality wise, than component is a fucking momo ^_^

Upscale dvd players shows so much especially and they aren't even 1.3 complaint.

yeah, I still have a little hate for nintendo for making a better DS lite, hell i gave up after their oynx model since white DS is decent, though it was ok for handhelds, well wait no its not, fuck. I spent too much time exchanging and paying extra Ms.

I hate Apple for a better new Ipod after i spent about 250 on the 4gb nano, sure it has bigger size which, thats ok, but new scratch free plastic and longer battery life (5 hours than mine), thats a pisser.

Now there shouldn't be anybody who would not be upset over that, and if you say no then you are lying.





Technically anybody would be pist especially if the upgrades are major and its something that nobody can do with their current stuff. whoever said no then is either loyal to whatever the fuck or plain don't need it and don't care.

Consoles, ps2 with their slim model, but at least you can buy bba add on, wish add on hdmi was possible? probably not, but components are there according to some peeps.

Just giving my opinion here, you all may have different point of view, well thats good for you.

Oh don't get me started with my old school first gen Samsung HDTV....

yes we all know that HDMI for 360 was in development since last year January, its expected, but in a way when its up your face and nothing seems like possible to upgrade on current 360s, though mod might be possible, some components are there according to some peeps, but it can still hurt the gut.

And if its not needed, then why flaunt it?

Tecno_Geek: U want a hug bitch? Dont worry after I am done dropping my Nuttsack on your moms chin, I will tell her to give her little tecno boy all the hugs he never got as a child. When your done trading insults with me, we can get back to this console debate. I'm waiting.....

1080i compared to lower resolutions does make a difference. I played Gears at 720p at my friends house, and then i play Gears on 1080i at my house. Gears at 1080i looks a lot more crisp than the game running at 720p to me. Maybe its because my Tv is a lot bigger, but i can still notice a difference in quality.

As for this 360 package, the only thing that this will probably effect is the pricing of the Ps3. If MS decides to offer this 360 for $499 - $599, people will see that it offers more for a game console than the PS3 does. Sony will then definitely have to react with something crazy to keep the PS3 demand in tact, so a price drop is definitely something that could happen. So actually, i hope MS can make the price competitive, that way by the time i get my PS3 it will probably be at $499 for the 60 GB and $399 for the 20 GB 8)

WARNING, THIS COMMENT THREAD HAS SERIOUSLY DETERIORATED INTO AN INSULT WAR, IF IT CONTINUES IT WILL BE LOCKED

too late , you already got the so called smartkids with deadend jobs with exclusive background on you know what done ^_^

dammit, i missed all this.

"too late , you already got the so called smartkids with deadend jobs with exclusive background on you know what done ^_^" by fishcake.

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I feel sory for you ...

"Tecno_Geek: U want a hug bitch? Dont worry after I am done dropping my Nuttsack on your moms chin, I will tell her to give her little tecno boy all the hugs he never got as a child. When your done trading insults with me, we can get back to this console debate. I'm waiting..... " BY NUTS_SUCKER.

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Obviusly you are nothing more than a 15 year old nerd that speak shit behind his computer..

DO you mother knows that you been using the internet to talk with her clients?

oh poor boy nutsak , i give you my big dick to you to play...

"WARNING, THIS COMMENT THREAD HAS SERIOUSLY DETERIORATED INTO AN INSULT WAR, IF IT CONTINUES IT WILL BE LOCKED " by Dm

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I wonder i did you edited my post and let the nustsucker post like that?

oh sory i dint that he been sucking your litle fanboy/unemployd dick DM.

Responses:

(1) It is true that "Upconverting DVD Players" only offer their upconversion ability with HDMI cables, because they do the conversion in a digital way. So, if you have an LCD HDTV set that doesn't have the ability to upconvert lower resolutions, then you would definitely want to use an HDMI cable.

(2) However, it is important to remember that if you have a new DLP HDTV set or a similar HDTV set that does have the ability to upconvert built into it, there is no need to use an HDMI cable. For example, you can use Component cables to hook your DVD player into a Samsung or Mitsubishi DLP HDTV set, and it will be magnified and upconverted to 1080p resolution.



(3) Listen, I have been an audiophile/videophile for decades. I do a lot of comparisons, side by side, listening to one and then the other, looking at one and then the other. There is VERY little difference between high-definition Component cables and HDMI cables.

The sound is identical, because both are based on technology used in optical digital cables. Many people believe it is better to use a Component cable for video and a Digital Coaxial cable for audio, because that is superior to the sound in an HDMI cable.

As far as video is concerned, the analog signal of the Component cable allows the HDTV set to make more custom adjustments for that particular HDTV set. As a result, the "digital" signal of the HDMI cable can potentially work against it on some HDTV sets, because some areas of the signal cannot be adjusted in custom ways, like the Component cable signal can.

(4) The reason Microsoft didn't include an HDMI cable with the original Xbox 360 can be found in Microsoft's statements. Microsoft looked at the market, and there were not a lot of HDTV sets available at the time. In fact, at that point in time, there was still a debate taking place regarding whether or not DVI or HDMI cables would end up being the cable to support.

(5) You can be absolutely guaranteed that the HDMI output on the Xbox 360 will work with an HDMI 1.3 input. It is not a matter of "what the Xbox 360 has on it in terms of an 'Output.'" It is a matter of "what your HDTV set has on it in terms of an 'Input.'" Virtually all HDTV sets released in 2006 that are 1080p have the HDMI 1.3 Input built into them, because the HDMI 1.3 Input copyright legal standards have NOW been fully established, and there would be no reason not to use those newer and better standards.

It is the HDTV sets from late 2005 from Sony that were falsely marketed as 1080p HDTV sets. They could “Display” 1080p, but not “Accept” 1080p. In other words, they were NOT compatible with the Blu-ray or PS3 in the way that Sony said they were! That is one of the many reasons why Sony is called "Fony."

My friend who works at Best Buy says that quite a few people were disappointed when they found out that their HDTV sets were not capable of Accepting 1080p signals. The bad thing is that those people found out that truth at a much later point in time when reading a Home Theater magazine or reading something on the Internet. Too much time had passed, and those people were forced to keep their overly-priced and under-performing Sony HDTV sets.

ever seen upconverted dvd players with component? there are a few models that does this, and i use CRT, fuck LCD.

Ever been to avsforums? They so disagree with you on that, and even have pictures to compare.

Too bad about those people coming from your imaginary friends. Once HD-DVD kicks in with true progressive frames 1080p will certainly shine on that, but 1080i is acceptable as well unless you are a videophille.

nice of MS to give those of us who want this stuff the option to buy it. i don't need it so I'll stick with what I have.