Forza 2 Cars Detailed, Xbox360 Screens >

	2007/02/08 21:18:31: Posted by DM
	IGN got some new screens from Forza Motorsport 2, and wow, the game looks fantastic! On top of that they have some new info on two of the vehicles that will be included in the game. >Link
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wow those cars look f-ing sick.

WOW!

I have NEVER seen a racing game with graphics that good!!!

Holy smokes!!!

That game is AWESOME!!!

I am going to go preorder Forza Motorsport 2 when I go to pick up Crackdown in the next two weeks!

Response to otoole:

Take a look at IGN; they show some new screens from Mass Effect on the Xbox 360. They use the headline that says you need to get ready to start to drool, because the screenshots look so good!

media.xbox360.ign.com/media/718/718963/imgs_1.html

Seriously, Mass Effect is probably the best looking game I have ever seen. It uses the same graphics engine that Gears of War does. I want to play it a LOT!!!

LOL! u sure iz right "UTP" aka Unbiased Technology Professor, Mass Effect in my opinion will be the best XBOX 360 game eva! will be just as good as Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 :)

"WOW!I have NEVER seen a racing game with graphics that good!!!"

I have, it's called Gran Tourismo HD, which actually is not that good; it's superior. It's only a demo of course, but still superior.

And 11 tracks are so little. DVD9 capacity issue perhaps?

game_demon, that is the funniest thing I have read on here in a long time. you should tell that one on stage.

comparing Forza 2 to GT HD? please...

Forza 2 will have model damage and the ability to customize almost every part of your car's parts and paint job/designs, just like the original. and you can play it online. did you get that with GT HD or any of those games? i don't think so...

Forza 2 won't completely fit on DVD9. When you buy it, you will get an incomplete game. You will have to download the rest of the tracks/cars online, whether or not it will cost is another thing.

@@@@ Game demon.

One of the reasons that i prefer grand turismo 4 games over the pgr and forza , is the stable rocksolid framerate of 60fps.

This give the game and extra sense of speed , that lacks on the FORZA.

Forza is a beatifull game but grand turismo 4 is beautifull too , they look very similar in foto realism.

in ANOTHER hand the i miss the model damage on grand turismo,

God Bless Grand turismo and Forza.

I simply made 2 points:

1)Superior gfx. I compared the last photo found here (only in-game photo), with in-game photos of GT HD, plz do the same.

2)# of stages.

For the rest (customizations, dmg models) I'm sure they're gonna be good but it's not drawing conclusions until I see the actual thing. As for the GT HD it's just a tech demo, the real thing is gonna be GT5, out probably in 2008, its features are still unknown.

And I think that forza is running at 60 fps too. But look at all this blur (u saw the IN-GAME photo, no?)

Still.........GT HD.......superior gfx. Is it still funny steve?

Game_Demon you really are funny, this game is clearly graphically better plus have you played the game to tell how smooth it runs. " Bt look at all that blur" thats called "EFFECTS" motion blur ever hear of that?

and in most GT games there are about 8 different tracks just slightly altered or areas cut off so you can't use that as a plus for GT.

it really gets annoying when people talk of things they know nothing of.

first of all, go on and compare a tech demo to a full game, but that is a very stupid and innaccurate way to compare graphics. one car on one track to multiple cars and tracks etc. not to mention that damage modeling changes everything when it comes to the final look, so please dont speak like your word is fact.

also Vae, there were no disk space issues to speak of, so there is no buying an incomplete game.

tecno_geek, forza runs at 60fps, so there goes your arguement.

so many opinions with so little knowledge, yeah i do think it's funny

Yeah, I read an article where the makers were saying the couldn't squeeze everything on to the disc, and that they'll likely have to include the rest via XBL d/l.

and that comment was of course blown out of praportion and clarified the next day. if they really had no room on the disk they wouldnt be adding padding to the game like they are. schedule is what's holding these tracks back, not disk space.

"Chou also states that the team collected a hell of a lot of data for all the tracks, so that the tracks will be more true to the real tracks, and make for a much better overall experience for race fans. So much data in fact that they wouldn’t be able to squeeze it all onto one disc.

This leads us on to DLC content. Yes, tracks will be made available after the release of Forza 2, the ones they couldn’t fit on the disc initially. So although the 12 environments may sound a little disappointing in terms of volume of content, that will increase. Whether you will have to pay hasn’t been decided yet, and whether you want to pay or not is entirely your decision. Cars too are also planned to be released as DLC, again pricing hasn’t been decided. If the new achievement guidelines are anything to go by, buying new tracks may just net you an extra 250 Gamerpoints for you to unlock."

if you really think that 47 courses over 12 tracks is "incomplete" then you have issues.

I'm just pointing out what I've read. You should really look into calling UTP out on the BS he spouts. You're quick to defend MS.

Only reason I even know this is b/c I am considering buying the game, and any news I can read will help me make a decision. Now, if I buy the disc, but don't want to pay for extra tracks, how will that affect my ability to play online? Will it be like Halo 2 and not allow me to join a game b/c someone has additional tracks on their hard drive?

i have called out UTP plenty of times, read around.

also why bother quoting a statement that i said i knew about? here is the clarification i talked about....

If not, then I am not concerned about that at all.

"Yes, DLC is in the plan and will be in the works almost as soon as Forza Motorsport 2 is off to the pressing plants. And true, we have not yet discussed our DLC business model, because frankly, we don't know what the content nor the pricing will be either -- at least not yet. However, the decisions we made to arrive at our final track count most certainly had nothing to do with the size of the DVD. It was dictated mostly by our production schedule (see also: the fact that we laboriously rebuilt all tracks -- it's not an excuse -- just some context). Does this mean we're going to leave gigs of space unused on the DVD? No, don't be silly. Forza Motorsport 2 is a huge, massive undertaking and any amount of space not utilized by one element of the game gets padded to other areas that could use the extra space no matter which way you slice it. Hopefully, this will put to rest the notion that development of the game has been hampered in any way due to disc space constraints."

I actually quoted that before I saw your statement, so...

i truly understand your concern, but that concern should carry over for both 360 AND ps3 titles. we will be getting DL content for both systems and sometimes it will effect our online play which really frustrates me. i loved playing GRAW online until they released that map pack for $10, which i didnt buy for numerous reasons. i didnt play GRAW online since the pack was released because i knew i would get pissed the moment i couldnt join a game for not having the map.

oh i thought you read my statement, my apologies, lol seems like were just posting in between each other.

you have good concerns but i doubt they are as bad as you fear.

I read around a lot, few call out UTP. That aside, I have expressed my thoughts on what my concerns were. I've also read the article where the makers of UT3 were saying they'd have to make the game to "fit" all platforms. I don't want to be nickel and dimed to death for a 60 dollar game. That is my primary concern. I'm done.

as for your online concern, i believe the first forza displayed all the info before the race started, so if you dont have the track you will know it. it's like this for any game unfortunately where DL content is becoming more popular.

i just wish all the companies would do what MS did with halo 2 and make all the content free over time so that everyone can be on a level playing field.

I agree, whichever platform it is. When Sony was tinkering w/ the idea of GTHD (4) being a pay per car pay per track, my first thought was, "I'm not even going to consider touching that game with a ten foot pole, they can shove that right up their *&^(*&^" So yea, 60 bucks is enough, if you add stuff for free, great. That's how EPIC scored a big hurrah w/ me, 2 free maps.

i agree, but we will get nickled and dimed regardless by almost every company. sad but true, but im right there with you man.

I think I would like to mention a few things:

(1) Kenny K is 100% correct: Forza Motorsport 2 for the Xbox 360 runs at 60 frames-per-second. The developers wanted that framerate because it is a faster paced game than Project Gotham Racing. I think 30 frames-per-second is fine for the type of simulation game Project Gotham Racing is, and the fact that it is a Platinum-Hit Best-Seller is a pretty good indicator that most people agree with me.

(2) There is no comparison between Forza Motorsport 2 and Gran Turismo HD. The graphics in Forza Motorsport 2 BLOW AWAY the graphics in GTHD!!!

NEVER FORGET that Gran Turismo HD was the first game ever shown for the PS3 that ran at "1080p resolution" at the 2006 E3, and when it was shown, the room became so quiet with disappointment that you could LITERALLY hear a pin drop! Except for the people making sounds of disappointment because they expected SO MUCH more!

Games like Gran Turismo HD are part of the reason why Sony's Phil Harrison LITERALLY had to ask the audience to clap for the Playstation 3 games shown, which they audience still did NOT do for Sony's games like Gran Turismo HD and Warhawk. When Microsoft and Nintendo showed their games for the Xbox 360 and the Wii, the audience voluntarily clapped and cheered at the 2006 E3.

But disappointing games like Gran Turismo HD played a key role in the Playstation 3 getting ripped on at the 2006 E3. GTHD was called, "A high-resolution version of Gran Turismo 4 with paper-cutout fans that rarely move."

(3) We now know that Sony's plan with GT is to release a VERY SMAll version of the game, perhaps for as low as $19.99, but then have people download basically the entire game. Sony wants people to spend a LOT more money on the game through downloads that cost money.

The problem with this sort of logic is that Sony's "large sized Blu-ray" actually does possess the available spaced needed to hold all of that stuff, but Sony just wants to be greedy and get people to spend potentially over $300 on the Gran Turismo HD/5 game! That isn't good, my friend...that is BAD!!!

(4) The fact that Forza Motorsport 2 includes an entire game on the DVD-ROM disc automatically gives it superiority over any Gran Turismo game that Sony has planned as a "partial game with lots of downloads." I would rather pay $49 for a full game from Microsoft Game Studios like Forza Motorsport 2, and then after the game has been released for a while, pay $2.50 or $5.00 for extra tracks and cars. Also, a lot of those cars and tracks will be free, just like how all the extra downloads and downloadable levels in Gears of War are free.

Response to Nemesis IX:

I think you did a great job of explaining how Forza Motorsport 2 is taking advantage of the Xbox 360's "motion-blurr" effect that simulates how light is seen in certain situations during a high-speed race like that. Nice job, buddy. You get an A+ in my book.

Response to Lik:

You bring up an excellent point when you talk about how Forza Motorsport 2 is FAR SUPERIOR to Gran Turismo HD in the area of Online gaming. The Xbox Live online gaming features is very amazing, and it is SOOOO FUN!!! Playstation 3 can't compete with the Xbox 360 in terms of online play, and unfortunately it means that games like Gran Turismo HD don't have a chance of competing with awesome new games for the Xbox 360, like Forza Motorsport 2.

But I hope that Sony listens to all of the people writing to them about the poor business model of Gran Turismo HD, because it is a terrible thought to pay $19.99 for an incomplete game, and then be nickled and dimed to death each time I want to buy a new car or change my cars color. I really did read in a magazine that it could end up costing over $300 and it would take up a lot of hard-drive space on the PS3...and those are NOT good things.

Response to steve_o_3000:

Nice one, buddy. I am starting to think that MAKAVELLI is correct when he says that there are a small number of people who blindly follow Sony like zombies, and they refuse to admit that the Playstation 3's performance is disappointing...ya know, like how every videogame magazine and website, as well as magazines like TIME and newspapers like USA Today point out very often.

Response to QuestimElite:

Thank you for taking the time to agree with me and tell me your thoughts. I was thinking the exact same thing as you: Mass Effect will be even better than Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.

Mass Effect is being developed by the same game developers, and they have proven themselves as excellent game developers!

Mass Effect is the most gorgeous game I have ever seen, and I have been looking forward to it ever since the 2006 E3. Mass Effect received just as much hype as games like Gears of War and Bioshock. It uses the same graphics engine as Gears of War, which means it will be just as pretty to look at!!! Mass Effect has such an AWESOME STORY, and it is like a sci-fi fans dream come true in terms of an awesome videogame.

I am looking forward to playing Mass Effect SOOOO MUCH!!! I will go get Crackdown this month, and I will play that Halo 3 Beta...so this month will be filled with action, too. Originally, I was buying Crackdown just for Halo 3...but when I played the Crackdown demo on Xbox Live, I immediately became aware of the fact taht Crackdown was not a Grand Theft Auto "clone," but it was a sci-fi verson of it with even more features that actually make it superior...just play the demo to see for yourself.

@@@@ kenny k

I was talking about the original forza to the xbox , and it dont run at 60fps.

NEXT TIME read my post properly before you making yourself an....***##.

Read this:

"The original game ran at framerate of around 30fps, but Greenawalt was quick to point out that the industry-wise framerate numbers don’t tell accurately tell the whole performance story. A graphical framerate of 30fps is just dandy, but many times the physics rate is combined in with this number (which appears to be the case with the GT series of games). Turn 10 claims to have a dedicated graphical framerate of around 60fps for Forza Motorsport 2, without combining the physics frequency in with this figure. Expect a physics refresh in the several hundreds, which, when combined with a high graphical framerate, equates to a very complex and smooth running experience. "

From: hxxp://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1376/Forza-Motorsport-2/p1/

And more:

"Like Pepp said, V8Supercars2 is excellent and 30fps for Forza is disappointing."

hxxp://forums.gamespace.net.au/showthread.php?t=347

"This is probably why Forza only runs at 30fps, as M$ went overboard on irrelevant detail. Furthermore, how does this sort of thing make a DRIVING game any ..."

www.eurogamer.net/article_discussion.php?article_id=60899 - 65k

"Yes Forza runs at 30fps and yes it isn't locked at that. It will drop and you will notice it and that will detract from the overall racing experience. ..."

hxxp://www.teamfremont.com/reviews/ForzaMotorSport.shtm

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p.s- Please let me know if you need more profs that FORZA( THE ORIGINAL FOR XBOX) Runs at 30fps.

and to think that last tear poeple in this site t5hought that the game would look crappy compared to gt, the thing looks awesome, never seen anything that looks that good

tecno is right, forza doesnt play as smooth as GT 4, and when you put it on multiplayer split screen you notice that immediately, but the game plays way better than GT 4 due to better A.I, damage, plus it runs on an insane physics engine, wouldnt expect GT4 cars to look that much better if all those features were included, and forza's environments are more detailed, with no cardboard shaped trees etc. i played both titles, a whole load more of GT4 maqinly due to a longer career mode, so it cant be a biased opinion

looking at the screens more carefully, the thing is crazy, crazy i tell you

Response to arthur56k:

Well said, my friend. The simple fact that the Xbox 360 possesses the ability to run this high-speed game at 60 frames-per-second automatically corrects the things that were considered slight errors with the first game on the original Xbox. I fully agree with you that this new game for the Xbox 360 looks awesome! I, too, as well as many others on this website, have never seen a racing game that looks this good! I am exciting a LOT!!!

This game will get to keep the qualities of the original, all while adding lots of new features, and running in high-definition with 5.1 sound!!! That is what the next-gen is all about, baby!!! I can't wait to race and play this one online!

@@@@ UNBIASEAD CRAP.

ALL THE 3D Consoles have the ability of running games at 60fps. however , the level of detail drops when running at this frequecy.

I know what blur is, every other racing game has it (GT HD too), but if u look at the in game pic, its just the "grey thing" (road), "green thing" (grass), etc, and only at 81mph.

It is tooooooooooooo much IMO. At least compared to other great racing games.

the in-game pic:

[link removed]

okay, cant send links, its the very last pic. Plz look at it.

wow , this game looks amazing.

game demon, send me the link via PM, i havent really gotten the opportunity to look at GT HD, but the one thing you must understand is that things like damage and model deformation take a whole load of processing power, and if they were included in GT can you imagine how grewat the game would become. but the guys at polyphony digital have stuck to adding cars and tracks, and its getting rather lame especially when turn 10 is pushing great ideas on only their second title.

all consoles have the ability to run racers at 60fps, that is very true

Since Polyphony has the license to have their cars destructable, all they need for GT5 is to add more cars on screen without sacrificing detail on the cars. If they can make the game with the car detail as good as GTHD 1.1 then this GT5 has Forza 2 beat. Forza 2 is looking really good though for how far its been in development. If you've seen the F2-PGR3 comparison shots, its a huge improvement in visuals.

Response to blah:

Project Gotham Racing 3 only had access to Pre-Alpha Development Kits that only allowed developers to use one of the three Xbox 360 CPUs, and what worse is the way that the developers could only use one of the two threads on that CPU! This means that Project Gotham Racing 3 only had access to one-sixth of the Xbox 360 General Purpose CPU Power.

The reason why Forza Motorsport 2 looks so amazing is because it has had access to the Xbox 360 Final Development Kit since it was finished in the summer of 2006, which was the same time when the final version of the PS3 Development Kit was finished. Those Final Versions of the Development Kit give developers access to 100% of the available General Purpose CPU system power.

The other cool thing is the way that the Xbox 360 has so much in common with DirectX 10's Unified Shading architecture. Now that Microsoft can share technology between the two, the games just continue to get better and better. Shadowrun is an excellent example I was recently reading about.



Response to QuestimElite:

Take a look at this video of Mass Effect! I would download the smaller sized video, because the bigger sized one is actually too big for the screen on some computers. But these are the best graphics I have EVER seen!!! With games like Mass Effect and Forza Motorsport 2 about to come out shortly, I think I will be in heaven for quite a while!!!

interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1886/BioWare-Talks-Mass-Effect-Part-1/p1/

blah, i hope that youve played both gt 4 and forza in depth, and that you also know the amount of processing power needed for model deformation, then you would understand that forza 2 would look better than GT HD if not for the additions that the game has. and more cars without great A.I is also a dumb idea, it would be great if they stuck to 6 cars but gave me a real run for my money. and they also need a whole load opf others to come close to what forza is like flippable cars and not cars that can go for almost 50-60 meters on 2 wheels, theres so much that i could think of but really dont have the time for. this will be their 6th title, hopr they get it right coz the only ones i didnt play were GT 1 and GT concept, and GT HD looks damn impressive but what does it offer that we havent seen in previuos GT titles

plus i had some friends look at itthe moment i put the last post up, and they couldnt tell whether it was a game or a real life car (maserrati), so the thing looks that good