'UT3 PS3 Running Better Today Than GoW 360 Last Year' - Rein >

	2007/07/13 15:57:38: Posted by DM
	According to this Gamespot interview with Mark Rein, the main man from Epic, Unreal Tournament 3 is running better at this time on the PS3 than Gears Of War was running at an equivalent time last year on the Xbox360. On top of this, Rein confirmed that there will be free game mods for download. He also promised that the sky's the limit for the mods, even new game modes are creatable. Sounds fantastic! There will be a map editor (eventually), according to Rein, and the kicker is the SixAxis pad apparently works like a charm to control the new hoverboard. >Link
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Didn't care for GOW, don't care for this. Let the flame war commence!

Mods on PS3 version... how is MS going to respond? They nickel and dime everything (charging for GoW content when the devs didnt want to charge at all).

utp and the made up WGC just got pwned

dont forget keyboard and mouse support. Don't forget that Rein is also trying to sell other developers on using the U3-Engine on Ps3.

I have a feeling this game is going to suck, but have incredible graphics.

Response to jockss2:

On the contrary, I was proven 100% correct.

I have said all along that Mark Rein has the worst reputation in the industry for being the biggest liar who cannot be trusted. Mark Rein looks out for himself, and nobody else. One minute Mark Rein says, "If there is an Xbox 360 version of Unreal being developed, I'm not away of it," and then the next minute he says, "There might be a PC Gears of War game in a couple years, but not any time soon."

Obviously, Mark Rein was just trying to get more people to buy the Xbox 360 version of the game, before the PC version was announced. In other words, he was looking out for himself, trying to make as much money as possible, potentially at the expense of the consumer.

It's the same way with Unreal Tournament 3. Mark Rein wants to try and hype that game so that people get excited about it similar to Gears of War for the Xbox 360. But that won't happen for two reasons:

1. Unreal Tournament started out on the PC. Fans of Unreal will want the game most on the PC, because the PC version will offer BY FAR the highest level of performance, especially on a high end Windows Vista PC.

2. Gears of War was a 100% console exclusive when it was released. Unreal 3 will release with the PC at the same time as the PS3 version. And Unreal Tournament 3 is only a timed-exclusive game for console release on the PS3. The last time something like this happened was in 2004 when Halo 2, GTA, and Madden all were released the same holiday; each of those three game series sold MILLIONS of copies. But the console version of Unreal sold only 200,000 copies on the PS2.

Also, I think it goes without saying that Mark Rein will change his story AGAIN when the Xbox 360 version of Unreal Tournament 3 is released, in an effort to make more money. Let’s just cut the fanboy nonsense and tell it like it is—even if Mark Rein was paid to tell the truth, he would tell lies if he thought he could make more money by doing so.

In all honesty, the Unreal Graphics Engine has been receiving a lot of complaints lately for the PS3. Mark Rein needs to say things like this in an effort to improve the image of the Unreal Engine on the PS3. It was actually a help to the Xbox 360 that the game Unreal will be released 3 months earlier on the PS3, because it will give third-party developers more confidence in the Unreal Graphics Engine. In reality, that HELPS the Xbox 360!

Look at the way companies like Square Enix now use the Unreal Graphics Engine more than anything else, and release games either exclusively for the Xbox 360 or in a multi-platform way when the Unreal engine is used. The acceptance of the Unreal engine by developers who previously gave most of their support to the PS2 has obviously has HELPED the Xbox 360, because now the Xbox 360 receives most of the support.

The cool thing is that the Xbox 360 versions of games using the Unreal graphics engine are always better. The Xbox 360 version of the Unreal graphics engine is nearly identical to the PC version. Those two versions receive two-thirds of the resources. The PS3 version is different and receives only one-third of the resources.

The Unreal Graphics Engine really has been a form of trojan horse victory for the Xbox 360, because it is the most used graphics engine in the industry, and it is better on the PC and Xbox 360. The market for PC and Xbox 360 is so huge, it cannot be ignored. If a developer decides to use the Unreal graphics engine for a PS3 game, it would be incredibly inexpensive to put that game on the PC and Xbox 360--two platforms with a MUCH LARGER installed base of users and potential buyers of the product.

Well Mark Rein can say what he wants. Its his gaming engine. So if he says that the PS3 is getting better use of the Unreal Engine at this point and time I can believe him. But I also believe that he has had another year under his belt to tweak and optimize the engine for the PS3. I also believe that he should be able to do even more amazing things with the 360. I aint mad, I want the Unreal Engine to rock, means better games for everyone...

obviously it runs better on ps3 since it takes forever to create one, mind as well take time . LOL

NOTHING CAME FOR PS3 FROM EPIC STUDIO !!!

so they had to say something and that long for a game to release, I bet UT3 will come to xbox 360 first !!!

Here's what I think will happen....The PC version will be the best. 360 version will look and play better than the PS3, but the PS3 will get some sort of mod support. All three versions will kick some serious ass and everyone that plays the game will be happy.

I agree with Adam Sessler of G4 when he says that you will need to use most of your "vacation days" and "sick days" from work to stay home in November and play Mass Effect.

Mass Effect is supposed to be a very long game. With Mass Effect, Halo 3, Bioshock, and Splinter Cell: Conviction as console exclusives for the Xbox 360, I think Epic did the right thing by not releasing UT3 for this Holiday on the 360, because it would have been overlooked in the exact same way that the last Unreal game was overlooked in 2004 when it was competing with Halo, GTA, and Madden. The competition is even tougher this year...on the 360 anyways.

lol @ utp.. what does Mass Effect have to do with anything?

Anyways, the console versions are gonna run at 720p 60fps.. the PC will depend on your spec's, so, its the one to beat. Although, PS3 has kbm and mod support.. so it beats 360 version.. which nobody is going to play because they will be busy with halo3.

true that and the additional GTA content

Hey UTP, check out what you said about Mark Rein in this article:

gamersreports.com/news/4046/epic-s-mark-rein-says-next-gen-does-not-start-with-sony/

UTP: "Mark Rein is the Vice President of the entire Epic Corporation, so he is not biased in any way."

Here, you were on Mark Rein's lap defending everything he said. Now you're saying he's not to be trusted? UTP, i've finally proven that you are retarded. But I do agree with one thing, Mass Effect is going to be amazing.

As for UE3 on the PS3, everyone just look at the UT3 footage and hear peoples impressions on the PS3 version. It apparently looks great and plays just as well as the PC version. If thats true, then I suppose UE3 has been fixed for the PS3 and pretty soon we should see all UE3 PS3 games optimized and ready to go.

Damn you guys are taking this out of context "Unreal Tournament 3 is running better at this time on the PS3 than Gears Of War was running at an equivalent time last year on the Xbox360." They were still in learning mode with the ENGINE while making Gears of wars, they had it for a year for the 360, they had the engine close to 2 years or more experimenting on the ps3 consoles learning tricks and taking it to ps3 , while they had it 1 year for the 360 they have it 2 years for the PS3. Way more time to play around with it and tweak it, for the ps3 and Unreal Tournament, Than they had for Gears of Wars, its common sense .. they should have it running better.

Gees there's a lot of whiney b!tches on this site. So it's better on the PS3, so what! Go play your 360 and STFU!!!!

Called it. lol

Bah... 360... PS3... they're both powerful systems and no doubt they're both going to run the game great. I say it boils down to which controller you like the best. I'll be buying it for the 360.

Sony allows mouse & keyboard, so only the 360 version features "restricted-to-Gamepad" gameplay :)

blah just pwned utp

seriosuly guys is it me that i really hate all games now a days, they are all same ting no difference...

so i dont know why u guys hating ps3 or xbox 360, they are all same shit dont they ?

I don't understand the hatred for sure. It's nothing short of absolute retardation.

^^ lmao@name

BTW I love all the consoles equally. But i hate console fanboys that think Console X is the best thing since sliced bread, and continue to preach it. All of them are the best thing since sliced bread..PERIOD

Responst to blah:

When I was saying that Mark Rein was not biased in any way, I was referring to outside competitors. I also think it goes without saying that Mark Rein is biased towards HIMSELF. But when I write about Mark Rein, it is usually about his lies, and whether or not he is a trustworth businessman who shows the proper form of business ethics.

I don’t think Mark Rein is biased towards one console manufacturer or the other. At times it may have seemed like Mark Rein was biased against the Playstation 3 when he would say, "We will never make a PS3 exclusive game, because the window of opportunity has closed."



As far as online performance goes, there are a few things we need to keep in mind:

1. Epic has said the PC version of Gears of War will benefit Xbox 360 users, because the new forms of Maps and Levels that PC users create will be analyzed by Epic. PC users will have the benefit of using thousands of Maps, but the majority of them will be garbage, and it will be difficult to find the good ones. Epic will always be looking for high-quality Maps, and when they are found, Epic will contact the developer. Epic has said that approximately 10 maps each month will be selected from the PC version, then Optimized for the Xbox 360 hardware. The Maps will then be given to Xbox Live gamers either for free or costs of somewhere between $3 to $5.

2. It is the same thing with Unreal Tournament 3. The PC version lets you design your own Maps, and there will be thousands available for the PC. If the PS3 has access to all of those, many people will think that is a good thing. But just like on the PC, the majority of those thousands of user-created modifications for the Maps will be garbage, and they will NOT be Optimized for the PS3 hardware. But with the Xbox 360, Epic and Microsoft will be carefully watching out for the best user-modifications each month, and each month approximately a dozen Maps will be selected for Xbox Live, and then Optimized for the Xbox 360 hardware. I like the idea of playing Maps and user modifications that have been Optimized for the hardware I am playing on.

3. In this video Interview with Mark Rein, he is asked the question, “Will the PS3 version run at 60 frames per second with 1080p resolution.” Mark Rein answers the question by saying, no, but he doesn’t explain it very clearly—he doesn’t say if he meant “no” for resolution, “no” for 60 frames per second, or “no” to the question asked, which would mean “no” to 60 frames per second and 1080p resolution. One thing is for sure, the PS3 version of Unreal has a LOT less polygon detail in each frame of animation than Gears of War does, which does imply UT3 is running at 60 frames per second, because it displays FAR less polygon detail each second. But those are the sacrifices that have to be made in high-speed games like Unreal…just like I talked about in great detail in the page you asked me to visit from the past.



For those of you who missed what I said during that explanation, here is what you missed:

“The varying frame rates of a game depend on the style of game it is; that much is common knowledge. Pretty much, it boils down to: Is the game a fast paced first-person shooter, or is the game a slow-paced first-person or third-person shooter.

Unreal Tournament is a fast paced game, and it needs to run at 60 FPS, just like a fast paced fighting game.

Games like Halo, Gears of War, and MGS are slower paced games that do not need to run at 60 FPS. 30 FPS is fine for the kind of gameplay found in those kinds of games.

One thing you need to know is that if a game drops below 60 FPS, even to 49 FPS, like you mentioned, the human eye will perceive that to be slowdown, even though 49 FPS is higher than 30 FPS. The framerate needs to stay steady at 30 FPS or 60FPS, or else the human eye sees slowdown.

Unreal Tournament on the Playstation 3 will have a lot less detail in each individual frame than Gears of War. For example, if a game system can display 120 polygons per second, it could display 2 polygons per frame in Unreal Tournament, and it could display 4 polygons per frame in Gears of War. This is an advantage for Gears of War.

Mark Rein and Cliffy B have said before that every time Gears of War started to display too many frames per second, they just added more polygons. This lowered the framerate back down to 30, but it also increased the level of detail found in the game.

Unreal Tournament is going to have suffer the opposite consequence, because its fast paced gameplay requires it to run at 60 FPS. When a game like Unreal Tournament 2007 runs at only 49 FPS, polygons will need to be removed from each frame of the game. This means detail will be lost so that the framerate can once again go back up to 60 FPS.

It's important to remember that Unreal Tournament 3 likely would be overlooked on the Xbox 360 this Holiday season, because there are SO MANY other games available on the Xbox 360. But with the PS3, there really was a decent business opportunity, because the PS3 has such a smaller number of games being released this Holiday season.”



Like I said before, Blah, it goes without saying that Mark Rein definitely IS biased towards someone--HIMSELF!!!

The comment made by Mark Rein about the PS3 version of Unreal shows no bias towards or against any of the versions of Unreal. In other words, it's safe to say that the PC and Xbox 360 versions also are further along at this point in their lives than Gears of War was at this point in its life.

The point I was making about Mark Rein not being trustworthy, and definitely telling lies is in regard to the way that this comment is obviously designed to sell more units of a product, which would make HIMSELF more money!



Blah, I am sure you would agree with me, because in the article you asked me to visit, you were talking about Mark Rein, and you said:

"Now all of a sudden hes saying 360 started the next-gen race. Which is true, but before you could tell he was kinda disagreeing with that. Maybe hes just saying this because he wants people to buy his game, since it will be the only Epic title for sale this year. Who knows."

*** Blah, if I am retarded, then you are retarded with me! Both of us have obviously noticed that Mark Rein is not trustworthy and changes what he says A LOT! If Mark Rein changes his story depending on what can make him the most money!!! ***

Excellent Post, Krogan Battle Master Urdnot Wrex!

You are now a member of the WGC along with X of 360, PimpDaddy, B1ueBurner, Industry Insider, and of course, Unbiased Technology Professor.

By the way, that character in Mass Effect, the one called Urnot Wrex of the alien race known as the Krogans really is cool!!!

Oops, my bad, I spelled it wrong...it's Urdnot Wrex.

lol, UTP you used the wrong user name when writing that post.

You used your other account with the foreign name. You should be more careful when selecting which of them 20 accounts you gonna use, i guess it gets hard remembering to switch multiple times.

Response to -The G-:

LOL! You are 100% correct!

On this website I have gone by the names: mike_mgoblue and Unbiased Technology Professor. I also have a newphew who uses the name X of 360. He and I both have goofed around with the name Unicron the Planet, because he didn't like how the name UTP was being used by psychos such as VaeVictus and Sky. So, he posted some stuff under another UTP name, in a more aggressive way. There were a couple times when I used that name, too.

Recently, another family member of ours from quite a ways away decided to come over for a family barbeque at my home. This young man recently purchased an Xbox 360, and I had told him about this website. He really did name himself Krogan Battle Master Urdnot Wrex on his own at his computer. But, I had absolutely no idea that he and my nephew had been online visiting THIS website!

I just about peed my pants when I saw the WRONG name!!! It's a good thing I made sure I learned how important it is to zip your pants 3 times, from Sony's Jack Tretton, at the E3 show...I was safe if I would have had an accident.

Anyways, just so you know, I am also the person named, "hbnpdb7fw1lk5nlq7slk1na8jvps4bdp."

The reason I named myself that was actually the idea of my newphew, X of 360. He said that a name like that would make the life of "the douchbag" miserable when he lists the names of all the people in his imaginary WGC 4D world that moves at 120 frames per second, with 2 HDMI ports that do exist...but only in the dimension of imagination.

I hope you had a nice 4th of July, -The G-...and you hit the nail on the head with your theory. :)

UTP, as a Friend and member of GR and as a GRown Man, I just want to let you know the name game is pretty lame buddy. I'm gonna tell you like you used to tell other members don't stoop so low.

Response to B1ueBurner:

Trust me, I know where you are coming from. Like I said, in the past I used the name "mike_mgoblue," but I don't use that anymore...only once in a great while, on special occasions. The name mike_mgoblue went into honorable retirement on a couple of websites.

And the name Unicron the Planet wasn't even my idea to use; it was my nephew. As you know, I only used that name a few times. My newphew used that name more times than he did, and I haven't seen it used in months.

My nephew is X of 360, and I actually haven't seen him on here lately, because I know he is busy with work and school.

My nephew, X of 360, has a step-cousin...which is technically my step-nephew. He is the young man with the name, Krogan Battle Master Urdnot Wrex.

As far as the name, "hdnpdb7fw1lk5nlq7slk1na8jvps4bdp" goes...I have to admit...that is my name, and that is as low as the "lame name game," can possibly go. But, that name was created as a defense against a certain Troll that makes fun of peoples names on this website and imitates people.

In fact, I am considering phasing out the name Unbiased Technology Professor over the rest of the year, and using the name, "hbnpdb7fw1lk5nlq7slk1na8jvps4bdp," all the time.

you have no friends...no real ones that is..but damn utp you have more imaginary friends than anyone ive ever met

Blah blah blah, why speak about other games when this news is regarding UT3 running better, or even twice as good, yet better looking, on the PS3 then Gears of War?

Face it, Epic back stabbed their fanbase.

First Gears of War is coming out for the PC, with 5 new chapters, EXCLUSIVE for the PC and NOT coming to the 360 along with a new multiplayer mode and maps which will also remain EXCLUSIVE to the PC. Oh, and yeah, don't forget the map editor the ppl on the PC get.

Now the PS3 gets UT3 earlier then the 360, running @ 60FPS in 720p and possibly even 1080p and what the heck, they even let you MOD it and supply you with a map editor so you can make your OWN custom maps on the PC for your PS3.

You can not make your own maps on the 360 because microsoft is too scared to invest a small share of the 60$ we pay for Xbox Live per year to have "moderators" in place for usermade content. Instead, they just refuse to game creators to let it happen; giving the most utter bullshit comments like "What about copyright infringements?"

Im sorry, but Epic got all of the 360 fans to bend over and just while you weren't looking they rammed a huge 10" thick pillar up your arses. Or atleast, it feels like that....

Thank you Microsoft and Epic, you really treat your customers like kings, gay kings that is, but still kings.

fuck the WGC for 360 fanboys only me thinks

Nine, um, you forgot to mention that Epic stabbed PS3 fan-base first. UT3 was a PS3 exclusive until they announced it for the 360 as well, thus delaying the game and whatnot. So don't say that 360 owners are the only ones getting the short end of the stick, cause that is FAR from the truth.

Responses to both Itaintrite and Nine:

I think BOTH of you are 100% correct! But the thing is, Microsoft and Sony are NOT the ones to blame. The company that is to blame is EPIC!!! They are the ones who look out for themselves.

Responses to both Itaintrite and Nine:

I think BOTH of you are 100% correct! But the thing is, Microsoft and Sony are NOT the ones to blame. The company that is to blame is EPIC!!! They are the ones who look out for themselves.



That posted two times because the screen goofed up and I Refreshed the screen, but it is worth reading twice, and maybe it was destiny that it post two times, since I was responding to two people.

UTP, I'm not retarded because I haven't even said Mark Rein is not retarded. I still go by my original opinions, and I still think Mark Rein is an idiot. You on the other hand, defended him like he was your mom. Plus, you say you believe he's biased towards himself? Look at what you said before:

"I am not trying to display any personal bias, just as I believe Mark Rein is not displaying any personal bias."

You were referring to how even Playstation magazines praise Gears and downplay PS3 games, while you clearly know that you are comparing a AAA produced game title that has been worked on for 2 years to launch games that were rushed to completion. And Rein praises the 360 and you believe he really is doing that, yet when he praises the PS3, you don't believe he really is praising it? Instead he's praising it to benefit himself? Make up your damn mind, fanboy. I'm glad you some how figured out that Mark Rein is a douche after all of this time, and i agree with it. I'm just saying that have no saying in whats going on with both consoles, because its proof that you are indeed biased towards the 360 and that you made 20 accounts to post on just so you could have an impression on people that there is a 360 fanboy army in full force on this site.

Cut the shit dude, seriously. Grow up. Admit that you're a fanboy and keep your 360 praising to yourself. You sound like Jeff Bell, but even more retarded. Theres now proof that the PS3 can produce AAA quality games with great visuals on par with the 360. Maybe not better, but it is on par.I know all this maybe nonsense to you because you're a blind fanboy, so i'm not going to convince you to become a guy that likes every console ever made. But I do want you to admit that you are a BIASED TECHNOLOGY PROFESSOR, not an unbiased one. Thank you, and have a lovely day :D

BTW, it might seem like 360 fanboys are getting anally raped by Epic this year, but they are still going to release the game for the console later on..and you never know what might come with the game. Maybe a lot more features that the PS3 version didn't have. Plus the 360 has other amazing titles arriving for the console, a big example is Halo 3. All I know is that I'm getting a shitload of games for every console this holiday, and i'm happy that we can finally get a true taste of the next-gen this holiday :D

utp please leave the site...as your father i command you to take yourself and your 10 names with you...everybody hates you..what dont you understand

wow utp you are so fucking pathetic.. how many users do you have to create to spread your love for ms..

Response to blah:

I honestly can't believe you just said the PS3 launch games were rushed to completion!!!

That is the most INCORRECT thing you could have possibly said!!!

I would like to remind you of the FACT that the Playstation 3 was supposed to be released during the spring of 2006. If games would have been released during the spring of 2006, THEN you could say that the games would have been released in a rushed way, without access to Final Development kits.

But Sony delayed the launch of the Playstation 3 until the end of 2006! PS3 was not released in Europe until 2007! One thing is FOR SURE, the Playstation 3 launch games were NOT rushed to completion! Those PS3 launch games had access to the Final Version of the PS3 Development Kit for about SIX FULL MONTHS before they were released!



Gears of War on the Xbox 360 started development the same time as those PS3 games. The Final Version of the Xbox 360 Development Kit that gave developers access to all Six Threads of the Xbox 360 General Purpose CPU Power was completed in the summer of 2006, just like the PS3 Final Development Kit that gave developers access to all of the PS3 General Purpose CPU power.

It was a 100% fair comparison to be talking about how much better Gears of War was than the PS3 games. That’s WHY the magazines were doing it! That’s WHY the Playstation magazines were ripping on the Playstation 3 so much!!!



It was 100% fair to be talking about how Call of Duty 3 on the Xbox 360 is better than Call of Duty 3 on the Playstation 3. That was Treyarch's first game for both systems, so it is first-gen for both systems. It spent equal development time on both systems. Developers received Final Versions of Development Kits for both systems during the summer of 2006. The game launched for both systems in November of 2006. That is a 100% fair comparison, and Xbox 360 still comes out as the best version.



Even when the magazines compared Ridge Racer 6 on the Xbox 360, to Ridge Racer 7 on the Playstation 3, the Xbox 360 STILL showed obviously better graphical performance! Ridge Racer 6 was released in late 2005 using Pre-Alpha Development Kits that gave developers access to only one-sixth of the General Purpose CPU power of the Xbox 360. Ridge Racer 7 was released an entire YEAR LATER; it had access to Final Development Kits for over six months; and STILL didn't have as much polygon detail!!! That means on those stages that appear on both systems, Namco had to say, "Well, the PS3 can't handle these sailboats, so we have to take them out of the game." And Namco had to say, "We can't allow the waves under the bridges to move on the PS3 version, like they do in the Xbox 360 version."



I guess that's the reason why games like Beautiful Katamari are cancelled for the Playstation 3, and appear only on the Xbox 360...and I guess that's the reason why games like Ace Combat 6 are also released only for the Xbox 360.

The availability of PC-style mods on the PS3 is easily the trump card in the PS3/360 comparison. Graphics are going to look good on either system. But, allowing these types of mods for a multiplayer-centric game is going keep the user base happy and playing.

Too bad M$ is too anal to see this... and since not all of their 360 skus have hdds, they would ne able to offer this anyways.

Hello Fellow Gamers.. whew... utp/krogan ..that's a lot of reading. But what this all boils down to is that UR3 will be on PC, X360, & PS3. Knowing that, which platform will you get? We all know the PC will have the BEST support & features, That's a done deal.

Now between the PS3 & X360 that depends on a few things.



continues...

1st off the online community of X360 vs PS3 for online play. We all know that the X360 will have the edge over the PS3 for the amount of people (7 million & growing)playing online. That's a proven fact..Done.

The mods for the X360 will be filtered & tested thoroughly before they're even released to the community. Will the same be said for the PS3? Don't know, but unlikely, since their online community is very small.

2nd. EPIC is in this for the business, nothing more nothing less.

conclusion

3rd. Again the reason for the x360 version is again.. the features. The PS3 still doesn't have certain features that the X360 / Xbox has had for years & they still haven't added it to the PS3. Damn SONY what are you waiting for?

4th. 3rd party Exclusives are a timed release deal now. Sooner or later you'll see that game on another platform. It's how a company makes money.

But to all of you.. Enjoy your game no matter the platform.. I know I will :).

Mark Rein Said the 360 is going to have mods too, thats why its being delayed.

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let's talk ut3 on xbox360 vs ps3. will the ps3 ver. run faster that the xbox360's ver. wich will be comming out a little later than the ps3's wich will in turn give the xbox360 time to improve on the mistakes that the ps3 will make :) im sure that we all agree that the answer to this question is no=the ps3 ver. wont run faster. but let's also remember that this was a year ago but yet in still the game still runs good and it's still one of the leading xbox360 sellers, so i guess this slower faster topic is pointless :/

WOW. Were still here??? I love me some Unreal Tournament. This is good news for everyone. I have 3 different options to play this game. So like that old Wendy's commercial "Wheres the Beef"????? Bottom line is this? Which version will run the best. With the best graphics??? I want the best experience. Please do not compare online features. Mods or no Mods the 360 will trump the PS3's online features. The fact is Sony paid for "timed exclusive" rights. Notice that the Unreal engine now has a "Cell" optimized version??? Think about it. Play Beyond...

UTP, saying that they weren't rushed to completion means you believe in Sony lies. Did you actually believe that they were ready to launch in Spring? Fuck no developer had close to final hardware at the time and all developers got their final dev kits 6 months before launch. Resistance was the only game that has been worked on for a while. Ridge Racer 7 is 1080p crappier version of RR6 for the 360. Every multi-platform game that came out for the PS3 had horrible framerates and colors were washed out compared to the 360 versions. Of course the 360 versions of any game at the time would look significantly better just because of the easy development environment. The PS3 hardware is something no one has ever seen before, even though the developers had the Cell Processor for a while they didn't have the full hardware to work with. Even the Cell only had 6 working SPEs until the final hardware came out, even the firmware in the final hardware wasn't finished!

All of these games were definitely either rushed to completion or just the developers still had only little knowledge of how to use the Cell's SPEs and PPE, not just the PPE. Proof now that developers are starting to get a good grasp of the hardware, look The Darkness. The quality is virtually the same! The PS3 version has better colors and textures in the level environment, but no motion blur. The 360 version has motion blur and the jaggies are barely visible, but the textures and colors in the game aren't as high quality as the PS3 version's. You see, if Starbreeze can make a game look good on a PS3 and the 360..why can't the studios at EA or Ubisoft make their games good on all platforms? Either they are still getting a grasp over the PS3 hardware, or they are having trouble porting 360 games <> PS3 games. I think its a porting problem, and I can see that issue slowly go away through some multi-platform games i've been seeing on both platforms lately.

The people at Epic that worked on Gears had 360 hardware probably long before any PS3 hardware came in to the building. We all know Gears of War was their ultimate weapon from the beginning, hell early models of the Locust were shown off by Epic when they unveiled the Unreal Engine 3. Its obvious that Gears is going to blow away any other game at that time, and its obvious at that time that it will blow away more games to come in the future. To me right now, Gears is still the champion when it comes to visuals...I look at any other game on any other platform thats out right now and the visuals don't match up to that of Gears. You can't tell me that Gears of War was in development at the same time as all the PS3 launch games, which we all know any launch game on any console doesn't show what a console is capable of. By saying this I'm not just defending the PS3, but its also a compliment to the games on the 360 console.

"Namco had to say, "Well, the PS3 can't handle these sailboats, so we have to take them out of the game." And Namco had to say, "We can't allow the waves under the bridges to move on the PS3 version, like they do in the Xbox 360 version."



And you believe this crap, UTP? It's called lazyness, UTP. Yes, developers can be lazy. And they can rush things as well. You mean Namco can't put in little waves and boats in a RR7 level, but Factor 5 can put 1000s of things going on in one huge level like dragons and people running on the ground each with their own AI and fire and burning shit...but they added waves and boats to their level...and the framerate is still consistent! If namco can't add boats and waves to a game that already looks like its half-assed, then they are bullshitting you and every gamer out there. It can be done, its just they don't want to. And if you don't believe me, look at the PS3 games to come that probably take full advantage of the console and then compare those games to Ridge Racer 7 or any launch PS3 game. I don't care what any developer says, PS3 games can look amazing..its just up to the developer if they want to make it that way.

All consoles can put out games that can wow you, and if you disagree with me on that..then you are surely a blind fanboy. Because I can name quite a few games on every platform that will make gamers happy with the quality of those games.

why do yall waste your time with UTP.. he is a clown... nothing more nothing less

Now..on the subject at hand haha. Everyone, don't take Mark Rein seriously. "UT3 PS3 Running Better Today Than GoW 360 Last Year", I'll translate this. This means: "The Unreal Engine 3 is finally running up to speed on the PS3 and its going to look just as good as GOW 360, but I'm going to say it runs better because I want you to buy this game for the PS3...no like I'm telling you to buy it or you will die." That is what he meant to say. I'll tell you right now, by looking at gameplay videos..UT3 is running smooth and the visuals look great on the PS3. But the visual quality does not match that of Gears, until I see a better gameplay video..I still believe Gears looks as good or sometimes even better than this game.

Hey waasup Sky missed ya, how you been, are you gonna be getting UT3?

Response to blah,

The developers at Namco, Ubisoft, EA, Treyarch, Activision, Midway, and many others are NOT "lazy."

The developers are in a position where only a small percentage of them have the necessary skill required to efficiently utilize the PS3 hardware in a way that continually provides optimal performance.

Sega's Yu Suzuki said that less than 1% of developers in the world have the ability to take advantage of a parallel processing videogame environment. THAT is the reason why SO MANY of the developers "appear to be lazy."

The reason why the PS3 software looks like it was made by developers who "appear to be lazy" is because the software doesn't perform as well as the Xbox 360 and PC versions.

In reality, it has nothing to do with "appearances." The fact of the matter is, a HUGE percentage of PS3 developers do not have the required talent to take advantage of parallel processing. That isn't the fault of the developers; it is the fault of Sony for releasing such an outdated hardware design that isn't Developer-Friendly.



Blah, be realistic. What do you think is more likely when it comes to Ridge Racer 6 & 7. If you had to choose which scenario is more likely the reason why the Playstation 3 version does not include sailboats found in the Xbox 360 version, has waves that do not move, unlike the Xbox 360 version that has waves that DO move...Do you think it is because:

A. Because the developers were lazy...even though they had an extra YEAR to create those same levels.

B. Because the Xbox 360 can display 500,000,000 polygons per second, compared to only 275,000,000 polygons per second with the Playstation 3.

*** I think the results are VERY OBVIOUS!!! The developers of Namco are NOT lazy! Playstation 3 just doesn't have the polygon power to display all of the detail for those sailboats and moving waves.

blah, I am not trying to sound unprofessional, but the PS3 really has missed its mark. It is just a matter of "how much" of a distant third the PS3 will be in worldwide sales. And the main reason for that is because the unfriendly development environment of the PS3 prevents game developers from experimenting with new types of gameplay with next-generation graphics.

@ B1ueBurneR

im getting deployed Aug 4th and i wont be back until Dec.. i do plan on getting it when i get back

lol my 360 broke too BTW.. im waiting on my repair....

truth or are you trolling, then youll start that spin garbage that we all know you for, either way, there is a 3 year warranty

Response to arthur56k:

I agree; the three-year warranty in place on the Xbox 360 is the best warranty in the history of videogaming.

Too bad the warranty doesn't play games for the millions of are burned by crappy hardware failures. 3 year warranty only covers red ring failures, there are plenty of other failures that won't be covered. Disc Eaters (EU is suing now for this), disc drive failures (which killed mine) etc etc etc. Stop trumpeting the horn of a failed piece of equipment. You must have no life Unbiased as all you do is defend the 360. Insecure much?

I found a lot of humor in how some of you will try to twist things so that your $400 warranty seems like a better purchase. Here's an idea, if the thread doesn't involved something you are interested in or like, stay out. It's sad that some of you are so interested in converting by evangelism of a stupid console, definitely no sex being had by you losers.