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2008/10/10 13:18:10: Posted by DM
Another bit of info in that Major Nelson Aaron Greenberg audio interview has come to light. Greenbarg totally dismisses the report that there is a Blu-Ray add on for the Xbox360 in the works. The latest report, from a few days ago, came directly from the supposed tech company commissioned to make the add on. Greenberg even goes so far as to say that Blu-Ray may be the next UMD, aka, dead format.

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Written by blacktiger on 2008/10/10


girls arugin never stop...

Iron Man has sold a lot on Blu Ray version and Dark Knight will do hundred times better..

MS is pissed that HDDVD lost big time against Blu Ray!

Written by incoming00 on 2008/10/10

i guess he didnt get the memo when HD-DVD became the next betamax :p
Written by blacktiger on 2008/10/10

that's so true eh !
Written by VaeVictus on 2008/10/10

I don't think MS is too concerned with Blu Ray as a storage medium. It winning out has no impact. There will always be some form of storage, so it's not like it's blu ray or bust.

Written by PimpDaddy on 2008/10/10

VaeVictus: Dont tell BlackTiger that. He is still on his SDF trip. Anyways although it saddened me to see a superior format like HD-DVD die. I dont think Blu-Ray is the next Betamax. I just dont think it will replace DVD either.

It will be a premium movie format for graphic whores and audio/video philes such as myself.
Written by VaeVictus on 2008/10/10

HD-DVD superior?

I'm done with buying DVD's and things of that nature. I am disappointed that developers haven't taken advantage of blu ray's storage, but I understand that games take long enough to develop now as it is, and dvd9 is all that is really needed with very few rare exceptions to that rule.

I'm really starting to take the side of the digital distribution types, though we need to increase bandwith speeds b/c d/l'ing a movie in HD format takes waaaayyy to long.
Written by Xenos on 2008/10/10

Originally HD-DVD was superior. It had more storage, better codec support, standard features from day one, and was cheaper on top of it all. I find it hard to argue how it wasn't superior, although blu-ray has made great strides to catch up since it's demise.

IMO developers are taking advantage of the storage by replicating the data numerous times to speeds of seek and read times.

As for digital distribution, it needs to die before it grows into a monster that we can not control. DO NOT WANT.
Written by VaeVictus on 2008/10/10

I don't want DD, but it's becoming more evident that we are going in that direction.

As of now, Blu Ray is more than adequate. I agree, a lot of early transfers were crap b/c of the reasons you mentioned. It's a different story now, and in the end they were on equal footing as far as I was concerned.
Written by LordFlux on 2008/10/10

I really hope DD isn't the way it's going. I'd rather be limited to the size of my movie shelf than the size of my hard drive or monthly broadband cap.
Written by incoming00 on 2008/10/10

i like DD's (not talking about digital distribuition either lol :p)
Written by madgunde on 2008/10/10


I'm confused. At what point in time did HD-DVD have more storage than Blu-Ray disc? Unless you're comparing dual layer HD-DVD to single layer BD, but I don't think BluRay drives ever shipped as single layer only. So it's always been 15/30GB for HD-DVD vs. 25/50GB for BD. BD has always had superior storage capacity as far as I recall. It also offered faster data transfer rates than HD-DVD.


Written by PimpDaddy on 2008/10/11

Just watched Ironman for the first time. It was on Blu-Ray too. Ahhhhhhhhh. I still think HD movies are overhyped. But it did look Ahhhhhhhhh.

Betamax never looked so good :p
Written by Xenos on 2008/10/11

@ madgunde,

1st gen blu-ray players only read single layer disks:

"MPEG-2, while well entrenched, is also very data-intensive. No problem, argues Sony, since Blu-ray has a data capacity of 50GB—far higher than 30GB bit bucket of dual-layer HD DVD. But 50GB requires a dual-layer Blu-ray disc, which was not ready in time for the format launch. So the capacity of Blu-ray is currently limited to 25GB. Does the data-hogging MPEG-2 put a squeeze on image quality with a 25GB disc, even though the discs released so far use most of their capacity for the movie itself, with (generally) very skimpy extra features? Sony insists that this is not an issue."


As for HD-DVD offering more storage, they upped the storage capacity to 51GB, it's not much but it's still more. Point is, it eliminated the one aspect that blu-ray edged out on.


So yes, sony released an unfinished technology costing $1000+ in the world fully knowing that it would be uncompatible with future software and features. Sounds about right.

Good thing that trojan horse idea worked out for them huh?
Written by arthur56k on 2008/10/12

digital distribution is the way of thefuture, we may notlike it, but thats the way
Written by blacktiger on 2008/10/12

Pimpd, your right, but those are the movies they don't use much of blu ray or hd dvd technology,

If you watched Dark Knight Demo on Blu Ray, it's a jaw breaking... If you watched another movie that actually used all the technology Blu Ray offered, then you'll see a different...

But again that's how new technology are... It takes time... for some developer to utulize the hddvd/blu ray technology...

I'm not a fan of picture quality, I'm hardcore Movie guy... But I seen the HUGE DIFFERENT !

There was a another news how all movie distributor are forced to work together, and release this new technology to replace theatre....

Cause theatre's money is going down cause of HD Definition....

Go to Engadget.com they'll tell you...
Written by PimpDaddy on 2008/10/12

BlackTiger: Please get somebody to proof read your comments before posting. Thank you.
Written by Xenos on 2008/10/12

"development" has little to do with the quality of a blu-ray/HD-DVD movie.

The codecs used pobably plays the biggest role

Written by madgunde on 2008/10/15


That quote is referring to the Blu-Ray DISC, not the Blu-Ray player. All Blu-Ray players are able to play dual layer discs. Dual layer Blu-Ray discs weren't being used in the first movies being released, most likely because the higher capacity wasn't required and the production lines necessary to produce them probably weren't ready. But at no time was the Blu-Ray spec only single layer.

Mentioning 51GB triple layer HD-DVD is about as useless as mentioning 100GB Blu-Ray. They aren't shipping products, and there's not even confirmation whether the 51GB HD-DVD spec is backwards compatible with standard HD-DVD drives.

FYI, dual layer disc compatibility is confirmed by Engadget here:


"One question answered is that yes, the BD-P1000 can play dual-layer 50GB BDs, the firmware update is not necessary for that; according to The Digital Bits, the problem was only with some BD-R test discs."
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